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Scientists make discovery of dead zones where nothing can live on two US coasts
- knuthsat 5y agoI do not understand how cities are blamed when a farm with 2500 dairy cows produces similar waste to a city of 411,000 people.[0] Cow poop is destroying the oceans due to massive amounts of mismanagement or just floods. Just goes to show the unpredictable n-th order effect of allowing the current ways of raising livestock (excluding the, now known for centuries, effect of global pandemics). 0: https://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyNET.exe/901V0100.txt?ZyActionD=ZyDocument&Client=EPA&Index=2000%20Thru%202005&Docs=&Query=%28411000%29%20OR%20FNAME%3D%22901V0100.txt%22%20AND%20FNAME%3D%22901V0100.txt%22&Time=&EndTime=&SearchMethod=1&TocRestrict=n&Toc=&TocEntry=&QField=&QFieldYear=&QFieldMonth=&QFieldDay=&UseQField=&IntQFieldOp=0&ExtQFieldOp=0&XmlQuery=&File=D%3A%5CZYFILES%5CINDEX%20DATA%5C00THRU05%5CTXT%5C00000011%5C901V0100.txt&User=ANONYMOUS&Password=anonymous&SortMethod=h%7C-&MaximumDocuments=1&FuzzyDegree=0&ImageQuality=r75g8/r75g8/x150y150g16/i425&Display=hpfr&DefSeekPage=x&SearchBack=ZyActionL&Back=ZyActionS&BackDesc=Results%20page&MaximumPages=1&ZyEntry=21&slide https://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyNET.exe/901V0100.txt?ZyActionD=Z...
- User23 5y agoTwo things. First, if it weren't for cities the demand for that many dairy cows wouldn't exist. Second, that study is just comparing manure production. Cities produce a great deal of other waste that cows don't. Edit: Yes, just pointing out that people rightly look at cities because they are the driving force so any solution needs to consider that. I don't have a particular solution in mind, but I do hope if one is necessary it optimizes for personal freedom as well as sustainability. I lack the expertise to be specific, but making it economical to capture waste and runoff via tax credits or something might be a possibility. However, I know enough to know this isn't an issue that's going to be solved by me.
- mjevans 5y agoWhat solution are you implying with: "if it weren't for cities the demand for that many dairy cows wouldn't exist" Maybe you were reaching for a need to wholistically look at the entire problem of both population and the resources needed to sustain it?
- CuriouslyC 5y agoAnd I bet your solution is for everyone to go vegan.
- knuthsat 5y agoWhy would that be a solution if you still need to manage manure to grow plants? You would still have runoffs due to similar mismanagement. It's not the management of human wastewater that is an issue with ocean deadzones.
- 0xdeadb00f 5y agoI guess you put your chips on the worst bet
- pyuser583 5y ago> “This year, we have seen again and again the profound effect that climate change has on our communities — from historic drought in the west to flooding events.“ But this is being caused by agricultural runoff, not carbon emissions. It’s also not clear how I it affects the weather. Seems “climate change” has become a buzzword for any type of pollution.
- ljf 5y agoWhat caused the dead zone to be larger and start earlier this year? Excess run off from farms. What caused the increase in run off this year? Flooding. What caused the extra rainfall this year?
- tessierashpool 5y agoit’s almost as if environmental destruction has cascading effects
- pyuser583 5y agoThe article doesn’t mention flooding or extra rainfall. Edit: blah sorry it mentions flooding. not rainfall, but flooding.
- calkuta 5y agoWeather and climate may impact the severity. The root cause of the problem is pollution and that should not be obfuscated.
- dataviz1000 5y agoAs a joke, I boycotted sugar for nearly 1 year protesting the mismanagement of land and water resources in South Florida by the sugar industry and the environmental destruction they cause. I doubt I changed anything other than my health in noticeable beneficial ways including weight loss and lower blood pressure. Like recent deadly spikes in covid transmission in Louisiana and Florida, people in both states don't care about the death caused by unmanaged agricultural runoff from the sugar industry either. Last year Louisiana was hit by several hurricanes which oxygenated the coastal waters so the dead zone decreased[0]. This is an odd benefit if climate change causes stronger or more frequent storms, although I read somewhere that there is an equilibrium for the maximum intensity and possible frequency for large storms. https://www.nola.com/news/environment/article_02d39f24-d66c-11ea-9828-e32433b3b786.html https://www.nola.com/news/environment/article_02d39f24-d66c-...
- k12sosse 5y agoI dream of cutting out sugar - but it would ruin most coffees for me! I measure my sugar to coffee ratios in seconds poured. I like my sugar with coffee and cream!
- carom 5y agoTry it for 30 days.
- rapsey 5y agoThe first step is the hardest. It will not take long to get used to it.
- stirfish 5y agoOnce you go black, you won't want to go back. How are you brewing your coffee?
- bluefirebrand 5y agoI am the opposite. Sugar or cream in my coffee ruins the coffee for me. Give it a try maybe, you'll find that a lot of coffee has really rich flavour that you're burying under the sweet sugar.
- calkuta 5y agoThe result of chemical pollution, but climate change is still being invoked as the culprit.
- clircle 5y agoI have in my Firefox settings selected the option to block all autoplay audio and video, yet this site is able to slip through. Is there anything I can do about this? (Other than manually blocking elements with ublock) And is there a way to prevent videos from 'following' me as I scroll?
- wallacoloo 5y agoClick the ‘x’ button on the top right of the video in this article and it will quit following you.
- betwixthewires 5y agoI use the umatrix browser extension and turn off all scripts except for web apps I use like github and this site. Sites look funny, but the truth is 90% of your browsing is probably reading text, and something you're trying to read has no business embedding all this nonsense in it. Try it, use umatrix and turn off JS by default.
- sammalloy 5y agoEutrophication has been a known issue for 50 years or more. Why hasn't anything been done to address the problem?
- jvanderbot 5y agoThey blame climate change, but it is caused (per article) by nutrient runoff from cities and (much more so) farms.
- betwixthewires 5y agoWhat a horrible article. I'm very interested in the details of this phenomenon and the article said basically nothing about it. I'm tired of journalists who hide behind dumbing things down for the reader as an excuse to not actually look into what they're supposedly writing about. If you're going to write an article for the supposed reason of informing the reader it better actually inform the reader.
- soco 5y agoWith the rise of AI newswriters we might be looking at a machine generated piece of "information" without even realizing it.
- SquibblesRedux 5y agoHere is a map of the world's marine dead zones as of 2008: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/44677/aquatic-dead-zones https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/44677/aquatic-dead-...