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What makes you think that the world won't survive? Or are you talking about how the world is now? Sure, the world will be different, but is that a bad thing?

What makes you think that the world won't survive? Or are you talking about how the world is now? Sure, the world will be different, but is that a bad thing? Do you want the entities/policies/etc that caused the problem to continue in perpetuity, or would you rather the world change to address the circumstances it will find itself in? Clarification Edit: I'm not being facetious/snarky. Otherwise I don't understand the downvotes as they don't provide any meaningful feedback in this case. I would appreciate feedback, thanks. (I do believe in taking care of the environment etc, my line of questioning is mere curiousity, not trying to imply a worsing environment is a good thing.)

Kye 5y ago
The people who caused it will continue to thrive in and profit from the chaos. Why would climate change make them less powerful? They're best positioned to prepare for it.
- meowster 5y ago
  Your comment seems to be at odds with the one I replied to stating "strange to live in a world that failed to incentivise it's own survival." Either OP meant the whole world, or the circumstances which are leading to what is happening, which would include "the people who caused it". It would be difficult for the to "thrive in and profit" from it if they "failed to incentivise it's own survival."
gmuslera 5y ago
If you say that the current photo is not so bad, you are forgetting that you are seeing a movie, the very start of it. The next frame may not be so bad? That doesn't matter if the movie keeps running, you will get increasingly worse frames next, it won't magically stop because you want. Think that the warming you are seeing is a second+ level consequence of our action. We emit GHG, the planet keeps more energy than the one it emits because the excess of GHG, the global average yearly temperature increases. Emitting less GHG will keep increasing that excess of GHG. Emitting zero will keep that excess in its place (because the carbon cycle last around 100 years or more). Doing a massive capture managing to do more carbon capture than what we emit will keep having an excess of GHG until we reach the preindustrial levels. All the way till that fantasy point the global average temperature will keep increasing. And your emissions are not the main drive of that anymore. We reached already a lot of tipping points that triggered a lot of positive feedback mechanisms. Less ice means less albedo and so getting more heat from the sun. Hotter northern regions are releasing methane that were frozen there for millenia. Forest fires emits even carbon and cause even more heat. And there are several more. And the problem is not just heat. It is energy to fuel extreme weather events, that happens from the equator to the poles. Is disrupting previously stable climate features that made the world livable as it were for thousands of years, the polar vortex seem to be disrupted, the atlantic ocean current seem to be going in the same direction too. And we depend on more life, in direct and indirect ways. Agriculture doesn't mix well with extreme weather. We are in one of the biggest extinction events on Earth history. Its just not sustainable in the long term.
- meowster 5y ago
  Thank you for taking the time to type out your response, I appreciate that you cared enough to help me. I understand all of what you wrote, and already agree with it. I wrote out a long response, but this isn't the place for the tangent.

Kye 5y ago

The people who caused it will continue to thrive in and profit from the chaos. Why would climate change make them less powerful? They're best positioned to prepare for it.

meowster 5y ago
Your comment seems to be at odds with the one I replied to stating "strange to live in a world that failed to incentivise it's own survival." Either OP meant the whole world, or the circumstances which are leading to what is happening, which would include "the people who caused it". It would be difficult for the to "thrive in and profit" from it if they "failed to incentivise it's own survival."

gmuslera 5y ago

If you say that the current photo is not so bad, you are forgetting that you are seeing a movie, the very start of it. The next frame may not be so bad? That doesn't matter if the movie keeps running, you will get increasingly worse frames next, it won't magically stop because you want. Think that the warming you are seeing is a second+ level consequence of our action. We emit GHG, the planet keeps more energy than the one it emits because the excess of GHG, the global average yearly temperature increases. Emitting less GHG will keep increasing that excess of GHG. Emitting zero will keep that excess in its place (because the carbon cycle last around 100 years or more). Doing a massive capture managing to do more carbon capture than what we emit will keep having an excess of GHG until we reach the preindustrial levels. All the way till that fantasy point the global average temperature will keep increasing. And your emissions are not the main drive of that anymore. We reached already a lot of tipping points that triggered a lot of positive feedback mechanisms. Less ice means less albedo and so getting more heat from the sun. Hotter northern regions are releasing methane that were frozen there for millenia. Forest fires emits even carbon and cause even more heat. And there are several more. And the problem is not just heat. It is energy to fuel extreme weather events, that happens from the equator to the poles. Is disrupting previously stable climate features that made the world livable as it were for thousands of years, the polar vortex seem to be disrupted, the atlantic ocean current seem to be going in the same direction too. And we depend on more life, in direct and indirect ways. Agriculture doesn't mix well with extreme weather. We are in one of the biggest extinction events on Earth history. Its just not sustainable in the long term.

meowster 5y ago
Thank you for taking the time to type out your response, I appreciate that you cared enough to help me. I understand all of what you wrote, and already agree with it. I wrote out a long response, but this isn't the place for the tangent.