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But anything that has the potential to stop or slow it should be fairly considered Strip searching everyone hourly will stop most contraband, including c

But anything that has the potential to stop or slow it should be fairly considered Strip searching everyone hourly will stop most contraband, including child pornography. And, according to you, it should be fairly considered. Shall we start with you? (And as people do have naked photos of themselves on their phones often[1], make no mistake, the strip search analogy is NOT an exaggeration) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICloud_leaks_of_celebrity_photos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICloud_leaks_of_celebrity_phot...

jasonlfunk 5y ago
Considered, sure. But easily rejected. Let’s be grownups here.
- dmitrygr 5y ago
  Yes, indeed, let's! Grownups recognize that strip searches are unwarranted in this and most other cases, be they physical OR digital... And certainly you've heard of software bugs. You do not think that a small one like "accidentally" "forgetting" to check that a photo had been synced cannot happen, and an "accidental" scan of ALL photos couldn't possibly happen in any situation no matter what bug/corruption/etc? Surely you'll share with the class where YOU hire infallible programmers. An accidental strip search is a strip search nonetheless. Luckily, this can all be solved by NOT writing such code. Ever.
  - jpxw 5y ago
    You must surely realise that there’s a fairly large difference between being strip-searched and having a hash computed on one of your photos that you’re uploading to iCloud.
    - dmitrygr 5y ago
      You must surely realize that slippery slopes exist. And as soon as adversarial code exists in your device, it will only expand. Reference: history of literally every dictatorship includes many "reasonable" expansions of power in the name of security/safety/etc...
      - jpxw 5y ago
        Yes, but I think you’d agree that each slippery slope has a certain degree of probability. The slippery slope from Apple checking image hashes to hourly strip-searches seems rather unlikely, which makes your analogy unhelpful.
    - Nginx487 5y ago
      Don't see any difference. In both cases your private property forcibly accessed without any reason to suspect you, but rather out of preventive reasons.
KONAir 5y ago
If UN or another international body like Interpol suddenly grew the courage to do it planetwide, I'd be the first to volunteer.
- Nginx487 5y ago
  You can volunteer installing CCTV in all your rooms, including toilet, and regularly send the footage to the police station. However, let us, normal people, to be excluded from this dystopian madness.

jasonlfunk 5y ago

Considered, sure. But easily rejected. Let’s be grownups here.

dmitrygr 5y ago
Yes, indeed, let's! Grownups recognize that strip searches are unwarranted in this and most other cases, be they physical OR digital... And certainly you've heard of software bugs. You do not think that a small one like "accidentally" "forgetting" to check that a photo had been synced cannot happen, and an "accidental" scan of ALL photos couldn't possibly happen in any situation no matter what bug/corruption/etc? Surely you'll share with the class where YOU hire infallible programmers. An accidental strip search is a strip search nonetheless. Luckily, this can all be solved by NOT writing such code. Ever.
- jpxw 5y ago
  You must surely realise that there’s a fairly large difference between being strip-searched and having a hash computed on one of your photos that you’re uploading to iCloud.
  - dmitrygr 5y ago
    You must surely realize that slippery slopes exist. And as soon as adversarial code exists in your device, it will only expand. Reference: history of literally every dictatorship includes many "reasonable" expansions of power in the name of security/safety/etc...
    - jpxw 5y ago
      Yes, but I think you’d agree that each slippery slope has a certain degree of probability. The slippery slope from Apple checking image hashes to hourly strip-searches seems rather unlikely, which makes your analogy unhelpful.
  - Nginx487 5y ago
    Don't see any difference. In both cases your private property forcibly accessed without any reason to suspect you, but rather out of preventive reasons.

KONAir 5y ago

If UN or another international body like Interpol suddenly grew the courage to do it planetwide, I'd be the first to volunteer.

Nginx487 5y ago
You can volunteer installing CCTV in all your rooms, including toilet, and regularly send the footage to the police station. However, let us, normal people, to be excluded from this dystopian madness.