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Boycotting products to change a company's mind won't work because: - not enough people even know about this issue, understand the consequences or remember to a

Boycotting products to change a company's mind won't work because: - not enough people even know about this issue, understand the consequences or remember to act on it the next time a new phone is due - not enough alternatives on the market, and we're probably already boycotting them for other reasons - even with lower sales a company might not see the cause-and-effect There is a general trend in the industry to take all kinds of liberties with user data. There is pressure on companies to do something about bad things happening in their clouds. Machine learning folks want to apply their tools to big data and the corpus of everyone's photos is probably nice to work with. So we would have to tackle these issues on a larger scale.

nicce 5y ago
That it is. I'm bit fancied of the ignorance of the people, until it is Apple who is doing it. And Apple is minority compared to other platforms. I haven't heard much of complains about Windows sending all your file hashes and most of the files into their servers, what they have been doing a very long time with Windows Defender. It is literally the same what Apple is doing now, but without restrictions. Google and other cloud service providers have scanned your photos for very long time, by using PhotoDNA. On top of images, Google scans also your emails. People forget and move on.
- babesh 5y ago
  I don’t use Windows Defender nor Google Photos nor other cloud service providers to scan my photos. I barely use gmail. I knew that Google was terrible so I have already minimized my use of Google services. Same with Facebook. But Apple!? I guess the dominos have finally gotten to me.
  - nicce 5y ago
    It is not so straightforward to not use Windows Defender if you are using Windows 10. You must edit group policies in quite deep to disable automatic scanning and startup. Google Drive includes backups of your phone, so it is not limited to Google Photos. Literally everything that is stored unencrypted on Google servers.
    - oxylibrium 5y ago
      Disabling all of Defender is complex, but disabling automatic sample submission is easy. It's an option in the Security settings app, and you're even allowed to disable it during first time set up (or were, last I installed Windows 10). It nags you once, but you can ask it to stop. Besides, uploading unseen executable code and scanning photos are far from the same tech. They're very different things.
      - nicce 5y ago
        Every binary is executabale by default. Images are only subcategory. As malware, any file is potential threat. Also, I think disabling automatic sample submission does not disable hash upload, only full files.
mongol 5y ago
Hmm. I wonder if a activism-based shopping platform could be something. Basically, a place where you shop, and as part of your purchase you state why you shopped that thing. Can be anything. "I liked the color". "Needed a bigger screen". "Don't want to use Apple any more".
indymike 5y ago
> Boycotting products to change a company's mind won't work because: In this case not buying the product is to avoid a viperous feature and protect house of from being spied on. Any boycott effects are tertiary.

nicce 5y ago

That it is. I'm bit fancied of the ignorance of the people, until it is Apple who is doing it. And Apple is minority compared to other platforms. I haven't heard much of complains about Windows sending all your file hashes and most of the files into their servers, what they have been doing a very long time with Windows Defender. It is literally the same what Apple is doing now, but without restrictions. Google and other cloud service providers have scanned your photos for very long time, by using PhotoDNA. On top of images, Google scans also your emails. People forget and move on.

babesh 5y ago
I don’t use Windows Defender nor Google Photos nor other cloud service providers to scan my photos. I barely use gmail. I knew that Google was terrible so I have already minimized my use of Google services. Same with Facebook. But Apple!? I guess the dominos have finally gotten to me.
- nicce 5y ago
  It is not so straightforward to not use Windows Defender if you are using Windows 10. You must edit group policies in quite deep to disable automatic scanning and startup. Google Drive includes backups of your phone, so it is not limited to Google Photos. Literally everything that is stored unencrypted on Google servers.
  - oxylibrium 5y ago
    Disabling all of Defender is complex, but disabling automatic sample submission is easy. It's an option in the Security settings app, and you're even allowed to disable it during first time set up (or were, last I installed Windows 10). It nags you once, but you can ask it to stop. Besides, uploading unseen executable code and scanning photos are far from the same tech. They're very different things.
    - nicce 5y ago
      Every binary is executabale by default. Images are only subcategory. As malware, any file is potential threat. Also, I think disabling automatic sample submission does not disable hash upload, only full files.

mongol 5y ago

Hmm. I wonder if a activism-based shopping platform could be something. Basically, a place where you shop, and as part of your purchase you state why you shopped that thing. Can be anything. "I liked the color". "Needed a bigger screen". "Don't want to use Apple any more".

indymike 5y ago

> Boycotting products to change a company's mind won't work because: In this case not buying the product is to avoid a viperous feature and protect house of from being spied on. Any boycott effects are tertiary.