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Resplendent. I won’t even add my own words. I will let you speak for yourself. ““ As far as I can see: 1. This is a serious attempt to build a privacy preservi

by babesh 5y ago

Resplendent. I won’t even add my own words. I will let you speak for yourself. ““ As far as I can see: 1. This is a serious attempt to build a privacy preserving solution to child pornography.” I don’t argue that.”” “ Apple’s solution is the best on offer. ” “ I think this is exactly what Apple wants to he the result of their their iMessage scanning. They are not in this to make arrests. They just want parents to feel safe letting children use their products. Driving predators to use different tools is fine with them.” “2. The complaints are all slippery slope arguments that governments will force Apple to abuse the mechanism. These are clearly real concerns and even Tim Cook admits that if you build a back door, bad people will use it.” “So: where are the proposals for a better solution?” Let the viewer decide. Are you going to argue that I have misrepresented your words? Feel free to argue with yourself.

zepto 5y ago
It looks like you’ve copied and pasted some quotes from my comments into a jumble. There is nothing to ‘hang’ anyone with. Just a series of quotes taken out of context which even then don’t look particularly nefarious. Remind us again what you’re trying to prove with this?
babesh 5y ago
Zepto complained that it was out of context. Here are entire comments. “ As far as I can see: 1. This is a serious attempt to build a privacy preserving solution to child pornography. 2. The complaints are all slippery slope arguments that governments will force Apple to abuse the mechanism. These are clearly real concerns and even Tim Cook admits that if you build a back door, bad people will use it. However: Child pornography and the related abuse is widely thought of as a massive problem, that is facilitated by encrypted communication and digital photography. People do care about this issue. ‘Think of the children’ is a great pretext for increasing surveillance, because it isn’t an irrational fear. So: where are the proposals for a better solution? I see here people who themselves are afraid of the real consequences of government/corporate surveillance, and whose fear prevents them from empathizing with the people who are afraid of the equally real consequences of organized child sexual exploitation. ‘My fear is more important than your fear’, is the root of ordinary political polarization. What would be a hacker alternative would be to come up with a technical solution that solves for both fears at the same time. This is what Apple has attempted, but the wisdom here is that they have failed. Can anyone propose anything better, or are we stuck with just politics as usual? Edit: added ‘widely thought of as’ to make it clear that I am referring to a widely held position, not that I am arguing for it.” > The more sophisticated child molesters out there will find out about what Apple is doing and quickly avoid it. I think this is exactly what Apple wants to he the result of their their iMessage scanning. They are not in this to make arrests. They just want parents to feel safe letting children use their products. Driving predators to use different tools is fine with them. As far as the FBI goes, this is presumably not their preference, but it’s still good for them if it makes predation a little harder.
- zepto 5y ago
  Still out of context - they are replies to things you wrote. You have left out your side of the conversation for some reason. How does that help? Did you know they can still be seen exactly as I wrote them in the thread, where anyone can make sense of them, and see what I was replying to? Remind us what this copy and paste behavior is meant to prove?
babesh 5y ago
Also in contrast to zepto, here are words from Edward Snowden: No matter how well-intentioned, @Apple is rolling out mass surveillance to the entire world with this. Make no mistake: if they can scan for kiddie porn today, they can scan for anything tomorrow. They turned a trillion dollars of devices into iNarcs—without asking.
- zepto 5y ago
  So you’ve just given up on responding to my points and are just quoting someone else who you agree with now? I am sure this will appeal to people who already agree with you.

by babesh 5y ago

zepto 5y ago

It looks like you’ve copied and pasted some quotes from my comments into a jumble. There is nothing to ‘hang’ anyone with. Just a series of quotes taken out of context which even then don’t look particularly nefarious. Remind us again what you’re trying to prove with this?

babesh 5y ago

Zepto complained that it was out of context. Here are entire comments. “ As far as I can see: 1. This is a serious attempt to build a privacy preserving solution to child pornography. 2. The complaints are all slippery slope arguments that governments will force Apple to abuse the mechanism. These are clearly real concerns and even Tim Cook admits that if you build a back door, bad people will use it. However: Child pornography and the related abuse is widely thought of as a massive problem, that is facilitated by encrypted communication and digital photography. People do care about this issue. ‘Think of the children’ is a great pretext for increasing surveillance, because it isn’t an irrational fear. So: where are the proposals for a better solution? I see here people who themselves are afraid of the real consequences of government/corporate surveillance, and whose fear prevents them from empathizing with the people who are afraid of the equally real consequences of organized child sexual exploitation. ‘My fear is more important than your fear’, is the root of ordinary political polarization. What would be a hacker alternative would be to come up with a technical solution that solves for both fears at the same time. This is what Apple has attempted, but the wisdom here is that they have failed. Can anyone propose anything better, or are we stuck with just politics as usual? Edit: added ‘widely thought of as’ to make it clear that I am referring to a widely held position, not that I am arguing for it.” > The more sophisticated child molesters out there will find out about what Apple is doing and quickly avoid it. I think this is exactly what Apple wants to he the result of their their iMessage scanning. They are not in this to make arrests. They just want parents to feel safe letting children use their products. Driving predators to use different tools is fine with them. As far as the FBI goes, this is presumably not their preference, but it’s still good for them if it makes predation a little harder.

zepto 5y ago
Still out of context - they are replies to things you wrote. You have left out your side of the conversation for some reason. How does that help? Did you know they can still be seen exactly as I wrote them in the thread, where anyone can make sense of them, and see what I was replying to? Remind us what this copy and paste behavior is meant to prove?

babesh 5y ago

Also in contrast to zepto, here are words from Edward Snowden: No matter how well-intentioned, @Apple is rolling out mass surveillance to the entire world with this. Make no mistake: if they can scan for kiddie porn today, they can scan for anything tomorrow. They turned a trillion dollars of devices into iNarcs—without asking.

zepto 5y ago
So you’ve just given up on responding to my points and are just quoting someone else who you agree with now? I am sure this will appeal to people who already agree with you.