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Sure, I am quite willing to hang you with your own words. zepto “As far as I can see: 1. This is a serious attempt to build a privacy preserving solution to c

by babesh 5y ago

Sure, I am quite willing to hang you with your own words. zepto “As far as I can see: 1. This is a serious attempt to build a privacy preserving solution to child pornography.” “ > The more sophisticated child molesters out there will find out about what Apple is doing and quickly avoid it. <- this is you quoting me I think this is exactly what Apple wants to he the result of their their iMessage scanning. They are not in this to make arrests. They just want parents to feel safe letting children use their products. Driving predators to use different tools is fine with them.” So according to your very own words, this ISN’T a serious attempt to build a privacy supporting solution to child pornography. First, it isn’t a solution because as you stated, it won’t actually catch anyone. Second, it isn’t serious because it was never intended to catch anyone. “2. The complaints are all slippery slope arguments that governments will force Apple to abuse the mechanism. These are clearly real concerns and even Tim Cook admits that if you build a back door, bad people will use it.” So according to your words these are not slippery slope arguments (the invalid argument sense) since, as you state, if you build a back door, bad people will use it. Don’t subtly use negative connotations to try to advance your argument. Next you disingenuously frame the problem as a conflict between privacy and child pornography. That is an unsupported dichotomy. “ However: Child pornography and the related abuse is widely thought of as a massive problem, that is facilitated by encrypted communication and digital photography. People do care about this issue. ‘Think of the children’ is a great pretext for increasing surveillance, because it isn’t an irrational fear.” Lastly you call for better solutions for a “solution” that actually isn’t a solution. “So: where are the proposals for a better solution?” “ Apple’s solution is the best on offer. ” Another unsupported dichotomy and a false assignment of responsibility. If this solution is bad, then toss it out. You don’t need another proposal in its place. You don’t need to deploy this backdoor in the meantime. It is NOT our responsibility to do the FBI’s job. It is THEIR responsibility to come up with better proposals. If you do actually want a solution, my recommendation is to concentrate on real harm like child molestation and child trafficking. Trace how children have been trafficked historically. See how you can shut that down. I feel dirty analyzing all the dirty tricks that you employed. Are you a politician or do you work for one? Work on policy?

zepto 5y ago
> Sure, I am quite willing to hang you with your own words. That isn’t what you’ve done. “As far as I can see: 1. This is a serious attempt to build a privacy preserving solution to child pornography.” - False as you even argued I don’t argue that. >> They are not in this to make arrests. They just want parents to feel safe letting children use their products. Driving predators to use different tools is fine with them.” > So according to your very own words, Erm.. > this ISN’T a serious attempt to build a privacy supporting solution to child pornography. These are your words, not what you quoted of mine. It’s absolutely a solution to the problem of child porn on their platform. They care about making it safe for their users. Who is expecting Apple to solve the problem beyond that? > It is at best something to keep the FBI at bay These are your words, not something I have said. > even though as you say it also introduces a back door. Where do I say it introduces a back door? > “2. The complaints are all slippery slope arguments that governments will force Apple to abuse the mechanism. These are clearly real concerns and even Tim Cook admits that if you build a back door, bad people will use it.” > False, these are not slippery slope arguments It is your opinion that they are not slippery slope arguments. I think they are, and as you have quoted I think they are reasonable. Slippery slope arguments are fallacies in the sense that the conclusions don’t logically follow, but that doesn’t mean that they are always wrong. You haven’t hung me with anything - you’ve just voiced some misrepresentations of your own interleaved with quotes of me.
- babesh 5y ago
  Resplendent. I won’t even add my own words. I will let you speak for yourself. ““ As far as I can see: 1. This is a serious attempt to build a privacy preserving solution to child pornography.” I don’t argue that.”” “ Apple’s solution is the best on offer. ” “ I think this is exactly what Apple wants to he the result of their their iMessage scanning. They are not in this to make arrests. They just want parents to feel safe letting children use their products. Driving predators to use different tools is fine with them.” “2. The complaints are all slippery slope arguments that governments will force Apple to abuse the mechanism. These are clearly real concerns and even Tim Cook admits that if you build a back door, bad people will use it.” “So: where are the proposals for a better solution?” Let the viewer decide. Are you going to argue that I have misrepresented your words? Feel free to argue with yourself.

by babesh 5y ago

zepto 5y ago

> Sure, I am quite willing to hang you with your own words. That isn’t what you’ve done. “As far as I can see: 1. This is a serious attempt to build a privacy preserving solution to child pornography.” - False as you even argued I don’t argue that. >> They are not in this to make arrests. They just want parents to feel safe letting children use their products. Driving predators to use different tools is fine with them.” > So according to your very own words, Erm.. > this ISN’T a serious attempt to build a privacy supporting solution to child pornography. These are your words, not what you quoted of mine. It’s absolutely a solution to the problem of child porn on their platform. They care about making it safe for their users. Who is expecting Apple to solve the problem beyond that? > It is at best something to keep the FBI at bay These are your words, not something I have said. > even though as you say it also introduces a back door. Where do I say it introduces a back door? > “2. The complaints are all slippery slope arguments that governments will force Apple to abuse the mechanism. These are clearly real concerns and even Tim Cook admits that if you build a back door, bad people will use it.” > False, these are not slippery slope arguments It is your opinion that they are not slippery slope arguments. I think they are, and as you have quoted I think they are reasonable. Slippery slope arguments are fallacies in the sense that the conclusions don’t logically follow, but that doesn’t mean that they are always wrong. You haven’t hung me with anything - you’ve just voiced some misrepresentations of your own interleaved with quotes of me.

babesh 5y ago
Resplendent. I won’t even add my own words. I will let you speak for yourself. ““ As far as I can see: 1. This is a serious attempt to build a privacy preserving solution to child pornography.” I don’t argue that.”” “ Apple’s solution is the best on offer. ” “ I think this is exactly what Apple wants to he the result of their their iMessage scanning. They are not in this to make arrests. They just want parents to feel safe letting children use their products. Driving predators to use different tools is fine with them.” “2. The complaints are all slippery slope arguments that governments will force Apple to abuse the mechanism. These are clearly real concerns and even Tim Cook admits that if you build a back door, bad people will use it.” “So: where are the proposals for a better solution?” Let the viewer decide. Are you going to argue that I have misrepresented your words? Feel free to argue with yourself.