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Guess its hard to believe that their is a world outside of the United States. Already do whatever it takes to pin some BS on someone that opposes them and has

Guess its hard to believe that their is a world outside of the United States. Already do whatever it takes to pin some BS on someone that opposes them and has them executed. This would be no different.

mthoms 5y ago
I don’t understand. If the government can just claim you had CP without proof, then they can just… do that? They don’t need Apples system. Especially since anything flagged by this system is manually reviewed by Apple. So, there would exist counter-evidence for the govt claim. Don’t misunderstand, I see how this system is ripe for abuse. I was just commenting on the specific claim that there will be automated SWAT call outs (presumably in the US).
- smorgusofborg 5y ago
  It should be extremely easy for any group that has access to tools like NSO Group's to use the information on a device to convincingly add data to devices. What is generally missing is the question of why certain people's devices were selectively searched. Attacks by the west on journalists often rely on the excuse of border searches for example.
- himinlomax 5y ago
  > If the government can just claim you had CP without proof, then they can just… do that? The problem is that they can do whatever if you have CP. Emphasis on "have": you might not even know you have it, because all it takes for you to be guilty is for a forbidden bit of data to be on your disk or cloud account. How did it end there? Doesn't matter much. It's unlikely you'll be convicted if someone else maliciously puts CP on your drive, but it's extremely likely your whole neighborhood will know about it before it's settled. Think about that. > They don’t need Apples system. Apple's system makes it sure that whenever someone puts CP on someone else's account, it rings the police and starts the nightmare. Without it, there's a few extra steps that make the nightmare much less likely to happen in the first place.
  - mthoms 5y ago
    This is plausible and exactly why I oppose this system. The only argument I made was against the claim that fully automated police dispatches will occur because of this system (in the west). Making outrageous, tinfoil hat level claims does not help our collective argument against this system. It just makes us look like paranoid conspiracy theorists. Let’s make coherent arguments (like the one you made above) instead of fantasy ones.

mthoms 5y ago

I don’t understand. If the government can just claim you had CP without proof, then they can just… do that? They don’t need Apples system. Especially since anything flagged by this system is manually reviewed by Apple. So, there would exist counter-evidence for the govt claim. Don’t misunderstand, I see how this system is ripe for abuse. I was just commenting on the specific claim that there will be automated SWAT call outs (presumably in the US).

smorgusofborg 5y ago
It should be extremely easy for any group that has access to tools like NSO Group's to use the information on a device to convincingly add data to devices. What is generally missing is the question of why certain people's devices were selectively searched. Attacks by the west on journalists often rely on the excuse of border searches for example.
himinlomax 5y ago
> If the government can just claim you had CP without proof, then they can just… do that? The problem is that they can do whatever if you have CP. Emphasis on "have": you might not even know you have it, because all it takes for you to be guilty is for a forbidden bit of data to be on your disk or cloud account. How did it end there? Doesn't matter much. It's unlikely you'll be convicted if someone else maliciously puts CP on your drive, but it's extremely likely your whole neighborhood will know about it before it's settled. Think about that. > They don’t need Apples system. Apple's system makes it sure that whenever someone puts CP on someone else's account, it rings the police and starts the nightmare. Without it, there's a few extra steps that make the nightmare much less likely to happen in the first place.
- mthoms 5y ago
  This is plausible and exactly why I oppose this system. The only argument I made was against the claim that fully automated police dispatches will occur because of this system (in the west). Making outrageous, tinfoil hat level claims does not help our collective argument against this system. It just makes us look like paranoid conspiracy theorists. Let’s make coherent arguments (like the one you made above) instead of fantasy ones.