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The NCMEC director claimed "many thousands of sexually exploited victimized children will be rescued" because of this system. It can't detect new abuse images i

The NCMEC director claimed "many thousands of sexually exploited victimized children will be rescued" because of this system. It can't detect new abuse images if I understand correctly. And don't most arrests happen after a victim talks to another adult? Or someone notices signs? Are many thousands of active child molesters discovered through scanning online photos?

gowld 5y ago
NCMEC is clearly lying (for one thing, CSAM users will stop using iPhone/iCloud for CSAM), but the theory is that someone who collects images is likely to (a) have some new not yet indexed images in the collection, which can be investigated, (b) might he abusing children. IMO posession of CSAM should be legal but heavily regulated, so that users who don't want to hurt children (probably will most of them) cooperate with authorities to investigate producer (child abusers), get connected to mental health care, and not be driven into a criminal underworld full of blackmail.
- pseudalopex 5y ago
  I'm skeptical most people who download child pornography are active child molesters. Or most active child molesters distribute evidence of their crimes. And wouldn't NCMEC collect new images from the most popular distribution points?
geocar 5y ago
The NCEMC was created by a child abuser[1] and his victim whom he groomed, and they asked Apple to send them pictures of suspected abuse. Pictures they can’t use as evidence, or use to “discover” evidence due to fourth-amendment protections. [1]: In his book Tears of Rage, Walsh openly admits being in a relationship with 16-year-old Revé when Walsh was in his 20s and aware of the age of consent being 17 in New York. Critics of the Adam Walsh Act have pointed out that, had he been convicted, Walsh himself would have been subject to sex offender registration under the law which he aggressively promoted. “But you know, she had this way about her. She had a certain presence. And after a while I just got over how young she was. She was way more sophisticated than anybody in her high school and she always dated older guys.”
barsonme 5y ago
Yes: https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/2016/a145162.html https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/2016... But also she’s a director at NCMEC. What else is she supposed to say? “Cool I guess, thanks Apple.”
- pseudalopex 5y ago
  The question was about many thousands. Not 1. Is NCMEC's mission protecting children or self promotion? Facts are best for the 1st.

gowld 5y ago

NCMEC is clearly lying (for one thing, CSAM users will stop using iPhone/iCloud for CSAM), but the theory is that someone who collects images is likely to (a) have some new not yet indexed images in the collection, which can be investigated, (b) might he abusing children. IMO posession of CSAM should be legal but heavily regulated, so that users who don't want to hurt children (probably will most of them) cooperate with authorities to investigate producer (child abusers), get connected to mental health care, and not be driven into a criminal underworld full of blackmail.

pseudalopex 5y ago
I'm skeptical most people who download child pornography are active child molesters. Or most active child molesters distribute evidence of their crimes. And wouldn't NCMEC collect new images from the most popular distribution points?

geocar 5y ago

The NCEMC was created by a child abuser[1] and his victim whom he groomed, and they asked Apple to send them pictures of suspected abuse. Pictures they can’t use as evidence, or use to “discover” evidence due to fourth-amendment protections. [1]: In his book Tears of Rage, Walsh openly admits being in a relationship with 16-year-old Revé when Walsh was in his 20s and aware of the age of consent being 17 in New York. Critics of the Adam Walsh Act have pointed out that, had he been convicted, Walsh himself would have been subject to sex offender registration under the law which he aggressively promoted. “But you know, she had this way about her. She had a certain presence. And after a while I just got over how young she was. She was way more sophisticated than anybody in her high school and she always dated older guys.”

barsonme 5y ago

Yes: https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/2016/a145162.html https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/2016... But also she’s a director at NCMEC. What else is she supposed to say? “Cool I guess, thanks Apple.”

pseudalopex 5y ago
The question was about many thousands. Not 1. Is NCMEC's mission protecting children or self promotion? Facts are best for the 1st.