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"In this context, there’s another number there that I think is really interesting: The “km/c-h”, how far you can get on an hour’s charge. For this particular ca

by alvah 5y ago

"In this context, there’s another number there that I think is really interesting: The “km/c-h”, how far you can get on an hour’s charge. For this particular car on this selection of chargers, it was over 200km (124 miles) per charge-hour. I think that’s enough? Maybe in the lower regions of enough, but there." So at 110km/h, less than 2 hours of driving for every hour spent charging? In what world is that close to "enough"? My next car will likely be an EV, but the evangelists hand-waving away limitations like this do nobody any favors.

dylan604 5y ago
Exactly right. EVs are perfect for day-to-day commutes and what not where it's drive a distance, let it sit for several hours (while at work or at home at night), lather-rinse-repeat. Long distance continuous driving would be brutal with an hour pitstop every couple of hours.
- geoduck14 5y ago
  This is the insight that I need. I'm all about EVs, but my fam and I will go on at least 1 500 road trip each year, and we don't stop for sleep (unless we have to).
  - mwint 5y ago
    Assuming you're saying "one 500-mile road trip" per year, I don't think you should let that stop you. That's one or two 10-80% charging stops max for any Tesla. I'd play with https://abetterrouteplanner.com https://abetterrouteplanner.com and test your potential road trips with the type of car you're interested in. It'll plan out where you'd need to stop, for how long, etc. Pretty cool way to alleviate (or confirm) your fears.
    - timbray 5y ago
      ABetterRoutePlanner is cool but in my experience extremely optimistic and doesn't include fallbacks for blocked/broken chargers.
      - dylan604 5y ago
        I took a look at the site as well, and planned the DFW->LA trip I mentioned earlier in the thread. I was shocked at the number of stops required just to get to the Texas border. That's normally a full day, but now it is 2 days. It's just not viable yet for cross country. I'm not saying stop EVs. I'm just saying stop with moronic concepts of using something it's not designed for. A 300 mile range is plenty for 99% use cases. Solve for the low hanging fruit. Lower pollution in cities where it collects the most. Then, continue working on larger battery capacities for longer trips. Harping on the viability is of what we have now is good is just doing a disservice.
    - dashundchen 5y ago
      Not to mention if you're commuting or doing daily driving the rest of the year, and charging at home or work, you e saved all the other time you would have spent filling up at a gas station. So 30 minutes charging on a road trip is probably less then the sum of the time you would have spent filling up and getting oil changes.
- linsomniac 5y ago
  It really depends... The EV travel is a different cadence, for sure. Whether that's a bad thing or not will depend on the individual. The 30-40 minute stops every couple hours that I have experienced in my older Tesla (60kwh, later upgraded to 75kwh), is nice to nap, visit attractions, eat and use restrooms, walk the dog... It definitely makes for a different trip than screeching to a stop at the pump, running in to pee while the pump is running, and then lighting the tires up on the way out of the station. I've done that plenty of trips in the past. It's kind of brutal TBH.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    Except you just turned a 2 day drive into 3 days. 24 hour drive from DFW->LA. That takes 1 overnight stay now in sane driving conditions for a solo driver. You now just kicked it into a 2nd overnight. >running in to pee while the pump is running anyone doing this deserves to be ripped off for leaving an authorized pump to do whatever someone wants to do while you're not there. no different than leaving the keys in the ignition and the car running while you "run" in for a sec. you're also being rude to the next person in line. anyways, back to my original point is that an EV is great for in town day-to-day use or maybe shorter hops. cross country trips would make me consider renting ICE powered just do i don't loose more days than i already am for driving vs flying.
    - _nalply 5y ago
      > anyone doing this deserves to be ripped off This is theft. Plain and simple theft. I dream of a world where everybody can leave the keys in the ignition and the doors open because nobody steals. Thieves are caught and are given a stern warning and therapy. It's an utopia.
      - dylan604 5y ago
        It is a crime of opportunity that "you" created. Had "you" not been lazy, the situation would not have existed for the thief to thieve. "You" did it to "yourself"
- _ph_ 5y ago
  But you don't need an hour pitstop. Teslas usually stop for 20-30 minutes. The new Ioniq 5 even claims 18 minutes to go to 80% charge.
abraxas 5y ago
Yes it is ridiculous to claim that this is somehow minor. That said, there are electric cars far better for road trips than the Jaguar mentioned in this story. A long range Tesla Model 3 will easily do about 350km within its 10-80% state of charge bounds and the charging stops can be limited to 20-30 minutes each. Experienced EV drivers with good EVs can achieve 100km/h average speed INCLUDING stoppages for charging.
- killjoywashere 5y ago
  This seems like it could be easily gamified with a Strava-ish interface. Why not?
- blake1 5y ago
  You seem to be right that the Jaguar is a poor car for road trips. A Hyundai Ioniq 5 will charge in half the time as a Jaguar I-Pace, and the car costs about a third less. https://pod-point.com/guides/vehicles/hyundai/2021/ioniq-5 https://pod-point.com/guides/vehicles/hyundai/2021/ioniq-5 https://pod-point.com/guides/vehicles/jaguar/2018/i-pace https://pod-point.com/guides/vehicles/jaguar/2018/i-pace
throwawayboise 5y ago
Yeah, and try it in the Canadian winter.

by alvah 5y ago

dylan604 5y ago

Exactly right. EVs are perfect for day-to-day commutes and what not where it's drive a distance, let it sit for several hours (while at work or at home at night), lather-rinse-repeat. Long distance continuous driving would be brutal with an hour pitstop every couple of hours.

geoduck14 5y ago
This is the insight that I need. I'm all about EVs, but my fam and I will go on at least 1 500 road trip each year, and we don't stop for sleep (unless we have to).
- mwint 5y ago
  Assuming you're saying "one 500-mile road trip" per year, I don't think you should let that stop you. That's one or two 10-80% charging stops max for any Tesla. I'd play with https://abetterrouteplanner.com https://abetterrouteplanner.com and test your potential road trips with the type of car you're interested in. It'll plan out where you'd need to stop, for how long, etc. Pretty cool way to alleviate (or confirm) your fears.
  - timbray 5y ago
    ABetterRoutePlanner is cool but in my experience extremely optimistic and doesn't include fallbacks for blocked/broken chargers.
    - dylan604 5y ago
      I took a look at the site as well, and planned the DFW->LA trip I mentioned earlier in the thread. I was shocked at the number of stops required just to get to the Texas border. That's normally a full day, but now it is 2 days. It's just not viable yet for cross country. I'm not saying stop EVs. I'm just saying stop with moronic concepts of using something it's not designed for. A 300 mile range is plenty for 99% use cases. Solve for the low hanging fruit. Lower pollution in cities where it collects the most. Then, continue working on larger battery capacities for longer trips. Harping on the viability is of what we have now is good is just doing a disservice.
  - dashundchen 5y ago
    Not to mention if you're commuting or doing daily driving the rest of the year, and charging at home or work, you e saved all the other time you would have spent filling up at a gas station. So 30 minutes charging on a road trip is probably less then the sum of the time you would have spent filling up and getting oil changes.
linsomniac 5y ago
It really depends... The EV travel is a different cadence, for sure. Whether that's a bad thing or not will depend on the individual. The 30-40 minute stops every couple hours that I have experienced in my older Tesla (60kwh, later upgraded to 75kwh), is nice to nap, visit attractions, eat and use restrooms, walk the dog... It definitely makes for a different trip than screeching to a stop at the pump, running in to pee while the pump is running, and then lighting the tires up on the way out of the station. I've done that plenty of trips in the past. It's kind of brutal TBH.
- dylan604 5y ago
  Except you just turned a 2 day drive into 3 days. 24 hour drive from DFW->LA. That takes 1 overnight stay now in sane driving conditions for a solo driver. You now just kicked it into a 2nd overnight. >running in to pee while the pump is running anyone doing this deserves to be ripped off for leaving an authorized pump to do whatever someone wants to do while you're not there. no different than leaving the keys in the ignition and the car running while you "run" in for a sec. you're also being rude to the next person in line. anyways, back to my original point is that an EV is great for in town day-to-day use or maybe shorter hops. cross country trips would make me consider renting ICE powered just do i don't loose more days than i already am for driving vs flying.
  - _nalply 5y ago
    > anyone doing this deserves to be ripped off This is theft. Plain and simple theft. I dream of a world where everybody can leave the keys in the ignition and the doors open because nobody steals. Thieves are caught and are given a stern warning and therapy. It's an utopia.
    - dylan604 5y ago
      It is a crime of opportunity that "you" created. Had "you" not been lazy, the situation would not have existed for the thief to thieve. "You" did it to "yourself"
_ph_ 5y ago
But you don't need an hour pitstop. Teslas usually stop for 20-30 minutes. The new Ioniq 5 even claims 18 minutes to go to 80% charge.

abraxas 5y ago

Yes it is ridiculous to claim that this is somehow minor. That said, there are electric cars far better for road trips than the Jaguar mentioned in this story. A long range Tesla Model 3 will easily do about 350km within its 10-80% state of charge bounds and the charging stops can be limited to 20-30 minutes each. Experienced EV drivers with good EVs can achieve 100km/h average speed INCLUDING stoppages for charging.

killjoywashere 5y ago
This seems like it could be easily gamified with a Strava-ish interface. Why not?
blake1 5y ago
You seem to be right that the Jaguar is a poor car for road trips. A Hyundai Ioniq 5 will charge in half the time as a Jaguar I-Pace, and the car costs about a third less. https://pod-point.com/guides/vehicles/hyundai/2021/ioniq-5 https://pod-point.com/guides/vehicles/hyundai/2021/ioniq-5 https://pod-point.com/guides/vehicles/jaguar/2018/i-pace https://pod-point.com/guides/vehicles/jaguar/2018/i-pace

throwawayboise 5y ago

Yeah, and try it in the Canadian winter.