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With respect to privacy, history shows that Apple keeps adding more and more user control of privacy. Per app location, access to other data, location permissi

With respect to privacy, history shows that Apple keeps adding more and more user control of privacy. Per app location, access to other data, location permission in the browser, tracking, forcing app disclosure of data collection, etc. Can you point me to a privacy related preference they have removed and not replaced with something else? I can't think of one.

vineyardmike 5y ago
> Apple keeps adding more and more user control of privacy Against other tech companies. This whole debacle is a clear example where customers have no control. They can't even not update their device because its already there. I can actually name a privacy feature that they took a long time to replace: Siri voice recording accountability. Siri voice recordings were saved in the cloud. They were linked to your identity. If you GDPR'd apple they deleted these recordings. They stripped the identifiers. Then you can't GDPR them, and its arguably no more private. LATER they stopped saving them to the cloud (yay more private again!). To be clear: the voice recordings can identify you even without identifiers. Its your voice. You might say "how do i get too <work address> or <home adddress>. You might say "Hey siri, tell <secret lover> that i love them" and boom now that is out there. Lots of reason people want control there.
- dev_tty01 5y ago
  Yes, they can identify you. First, you can always delete all of that data at any time in Siri Settings. Second, starting in IOS 15 with an A12 or newer, the processing is moving on device. Here is an excerpt from https://developer.apple.com/ios/ https://developer.apple.com/ios/: "iOS 15 introduces even more privacy controls to help protect user information. With on-device speech recognition, audio of Siri requests is now processed entirely on iPhone by default, and performance improves significantly. Mail Privacy Protection stops senders from learning whether an email has been opened, and hides IP addresses so senders can’t learn a user’s location or use it to build a profile on them. App Privacy Report offers an overview of how apps use the access that has been granted to location, photos, camera, microphone, and contacts in the last seven days, and which other domains are contacted." Here is another discussion: https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/7/22522993/apple-siri-on-device-speech-recognition-no-internet-wwdc https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/7/22522993/apple-siri-on-dev...
  - Spooky23 5y ago
    You can’t win the argument, as you’re presenting facts against “what if”.

vineyardmike 5y ago

> Apple keeps adding more and more user control of privacy Against other tech companies. This whole debacle is a clear example where customers have no control. They can't even not update their device because its already there. I can actually name a privacy feature that they took a long time to replace: Siri voice recording accountability. Siri voice recordings were saved in the cloud. They were linked to your identity. If you GDPR'd apple they deleted these recordings. They stripped the identifiers. Then you can't GDPR them, and its arguably no more private. LATER they stopped saving them to the cloud (yay more private again!). To be clear: the voice recordings can identify you even without identifiers. Its your voice. You might say "how do i get too <work address> or <home adddress>. You might say "Hey siri, tell <secret lover> that i love them" and boom now that is out there. Lots of reason people want control there.

dev_tty01 5y ago
Yes, they can identify you. First, you can always delete all of that data at any time in Siri Settings. Second, starting in IOS 15 with an A12 or newer, the processing is moving on device. Here is an excerpt from https://developer.apple.com/ios/ https://developer.apple.com/ios/: "iOS 15 introduces even more privacy controls to help protect user information. With on-device speech recognition, audio of Siri requests is now processed entirely on iPhone by default, and performance improves significantly. Mail Privacy Protection stops senders from learning whether an email has been opened, and hides IP addresses so senders can’t learn a user’s location or use it to build a profile on them. App Privacy Report offers an overview of how apps use the access that has been granted to location, photos, camera, microphone, and contacts in the last seven days, and which other domains are contacted." Here is another discussion: https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/7/22522993/apple-siri-on-device-speech-recognition-no-internet-wwdc https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/7/22522993/apple-siri-on-dev...
- Spooky23 5y ago
  You can’t win the argument, as you’re presenting facts against “what if”.