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Reasons Not to Use Apple

106 points by lioeters 5y ago

wjp3 5y ago
Yes, we should listen to someone who picks their feet and eats it.
- specktr 5y ago
  Why not? Does that act invalidate any points in this blog post?
  - warkdarrior 5y ago
    He seems to make bad choices about personal hygiene, so why should one rely on his choices for technology?
    - circularfoyers 5y ago
      Someone's personal hygiene bears no relationship to their knowledge or opinions on technology.
    - RobRivera 5y ago
      have you ever used a stackoverflow post AT ALL to figure out authentication, grep files, or set up a tool? know how often each time they shower?
    - ssss11 5y ago
      So you do everything perfectly huh?
    - coldtea 5y ago
      Because not doing so is a logical fallacy? People can make, and have made totally bad choices about any area and perfectly good choices in another area. For example you made a very bad argument logic-wise here. But still you may have something worth to say on some other matter...
- RobRivera 5y ago
  relevance?
- Lio 5y ago
  Play the ball, not the man. Are any of his points worth considering on their own merits? If not, why not?
kragen 5y ago
This is the best compendium I have found on the topic.
throwaway81523 5y ago
Note the dates at the bottom: 2012-2018. r/StallmanWasRight
- foxpurple 5y ago
  Stallman hasn’t really made any shocking revelations really. He just calls everything malware and most of it ends up being malware.
nanoscopic 5y ago
While Apple is very restrictive and controlling, they aren't as controlling as many imply about running your own/custom apps on phones. You can sign up for a free developer account and sign apps onto your iDevices for free. ( 3-apps at least, for 1 week at a time ) If you pay for a developer account you can sign many more apps to run on your devices as you like. This includes apps that would not pass the store approvals. I agree it is a hassle to have to install apps that way, but at least they do allow it.
bsd44 5y ago
You can't complain without suggesting improvements, that's not constructive criticism. So what is the alternative here? All other brands have the same issue, not just phone manufacturers but other product and service providers too. I can provide a list ten times as long against using American products. So what do we do then? These types of "reason lists" are pointless. Right hand is different from the left hand, but they both grow from the same body.
- alexeyoganezov 5y ago
  Well, we can use and promote OS and devices from better companies like Purism, System76, PINE64 and etc.
- vimacs2 5y ago
  Sorry but this is absolute nonsense. Having awareness of a problem does not imply necessarily having the best possible solution and neither should pointing out the problem be gatekeeped by this stupid expectation that you suddenly need to do the job of the offending party for them. You will also end up with solutions that are more reactionary than genuinely innovative in the sense of being designed from the ground up on the basis of first principles. Your comment is implying that there is a universal recognition of these problems already but that's not true outside of our insular tech bubble. These lists are great for anybody outside of that bubble who want to rapidly get up to speed on all the problematic actions that Apple has taken, and with a lens focused on preserving the freedoms of the user.
  - Bodell 5y ago
    Slightly off topic but I wanted to add a quick story to this. In my neighborhood I made some waves with the HOA when I complained about secret hidden cameras I found at our pool. After investigating I found out rather quickly that members of the board decided to put them up with out telling anyone including most of the rest of the board, which my girlfriend was a member of at the time. When I complained I was told the same thing: you can’t make a complaint without offering a solution. I was told this two more times when we suggested that they should not be having big meeting and gatherings during the pandemic, and when we suggested they should not be illegally miscounting property owners votes (this one ended up involving us paying a lawyer to straighten out). Every time I was told I was not being constructive and offering a solution and every time I had to explain that I was. The solutions were very simple do spy on your neighbors and take secret videos of them, in their bathing suits especially. Don’t invite people to large in person gatherings during a pandemic when an online meeting will do. And follow the already legally established way of counting peoples votes without creativity reimagining it in your own favor. For all those solutions my girlfriend was removed from the board and we are no longer allowed to vote. Stallman is offering a similar simple solution “do not use Apple products.” The parent comment here is simply mad that Stallman has not invented a way for people To have their cake and eat it too.

106 points by lioeters 5y ago

wjp3 5y ago

Yes, we should listen to someone who picks their feet and eats it.

specktr 5y ago
Why not? Does that act invalidate any points in this blog post?
- warkdarrior 5y ago
  He seems to make bad choices about personal hygiene, so why should one rely on his choices for technology?
  - circularfoyers 5y ago
    Someone's personal hygiene bears no relationship to their knowledge or opinions on technology.
  - RobRivera 5y ago
    have you ever used a stackoverflow post AT ALL to figure out authentication, grep files, or set up a tool? know how often each time they shower?
  - ssss11 5y ago
    So you do everything perfectly huh?
  - coldtea 5y ago
    Because not doing so is a logical fallacy? People can make, and have made totally bad choices about any area and perfectly good choices in another area. For example you made a very bad argument logic-wise here. But still you may have something worth to say on some other matter...
RobRivera 5y ago
relevance?
Lio 5y ago
Play the ball, not the man. Are any of his points worth considering on their own merits? If not, why not?

kragen 5y ago

This is the best compendium I have found on the topic.

throwaway81523 5y ago

Note the dates at the bottom: 2012-2018. r/StallmanWasRight

foxpurple 5y ago
Stallman hasn’t really made any shocking revelations really. He just calls everything malware and most of it ends up being malware.

nanoscopic 5y ago

While Apple is very restrictive and controlling, they aren't as controlling as many imply about running your own/custom apps on phones. You can sign up for a free developer account and sign apps onto your iDevices for free. ( 3-apps at least, for 1 week at a time ) If you pay for a developer account you can sign many more apps to run on your devices as you like. This includes apps that would not pass the store approvals. I agree it is a hassle to have to install apps that way, but at least they do allow it.

bsd44 5y ago

You can't complain without suggesting improvements, that's not constructive criticism. So what is the alternative here? All other brands have the same issue, not just phone manufacturers but other product and service providers too. I can provide a list ten times as long against using American products. So what do we do then? These types of "reason lists" are pointless. Right hand is different from the left hand, but they both grow from the same body.

alexeyoganezov 5y ago
Well, we can use and promote OS and devices from better companies like Purism, System76, PINE64 and etc.
vimacs2 5y ago
Sorry but this is absolute nonsense. Having awareness of a problem does not imply necessarily having the best possible solution and neither should pointing out the problem be gatekeeped by this stupid expectation that you suddenly need to do the job of the offending party for them. You will also end up with solutions that are more reactionary than genuinely innovative in the sense of being designed from the ground up on the basis of first principles. Your comment is implying that there is a universal recognition of these problems already but that's not true outside of our insular tech bubble. These lists are great for anybody outside of that bubble who want to rapidly get up to speed on all the problematic actions that Apple has taken, and with a lens focused on preserving the freedoms of the user.
- Bodell 5y ago
  Slightly off topic but I wanted to add a quick story to this. In my neighborhood I made some waves with the HOA when I complained about secret hidden cameras I found at our pool. After investigating I found out rather quickly that members of the board decided to put them up with out telling anyone including most of the rest of the board, which my girlfriend was a member of at the time. When I complained I was told the same thing: you can’t make a complaint without offering a solution. I was told this two more times when we suggested that they should not be having big meeting and gatherings during the pandemic, and when we suggested they should not be illegally miscounting property owners votes (this one ended up involving us paying a lawyer to straighten out). Every time I was told I was not being constructive and offering a solution and every time I had to explain that I was. The solutions were very simple do spy on your neighbors and take secret videos of them, in their bathing suits especially. Don’t invite people to large in person gatherings during a pandemic when an online meeting will do. And follow the already legally established way of counting peoples votes without creativity reimagining it in your own favor. For all those solutions my girlfriend was removed from the board and we are no longer allowed to vote. Stallman is offering a similar simple solution “do not use Apple products.” The parent comment here is simply mad that Stallman has not invented a way for people To have their cake and eat it too.