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If you have a mass extinction event and go more than a generation or two without restarting, all the skills and education will be gone which means you're restar

by yodon 5y ago

If you have a mass extinction event and go more than a generation or two without restarting, all the skills and education will be gone which means you're restarting from zero. We needed readily available high grade energy sources to get to high grade renewables, and those trying to restart civilization will as well, but by the time the get there their forest will be consumed just as ours are, and they won't have oil and coal to discover to get them the bridge to solar or nuclear or high tech wind and tidal power.

hfkfktnekfm 5y ago
Are you saying that in 100 years all the books in the world will be gone? Absolutely nothing will survive, and post apocalyptic man will not think at all about preserving this knowledge?
- joe_g_young 5y ago
  Radiation cats [1] would serve as a warning when books disappear. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Interference_Task_Force#Fran%C3%A7oise_Bastide_and_Paolo_Fabbri https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Interference_Task_Forc...
zizee 5y ago
> We needed readily available high grade energy ... You say this as if it is a fact. It's a decent theory, but it's hardly so certain that you should write with such conviction.
roca 5y ago
> all the skills and education will be gone which means you're restarting from zero. Not at all. There will be books containing most human knowledge. It would be hard work for the rebooters to reacquire those skills but much, much easier than redeveloping them from scratch. Plus in many cases there will be artifacts around that can either be reused directly or as models. > those trying to restart civilization will as well Rebooting doesn't have to follow the same development path that we took to get here. It would be very interesting and potentially important to try to find shorter, easier paths to modern technology. It's not obvious to me that such paths can't exist. If they do exist we can record them to guide future generations. I'm only personally familiar with the (current) high end of technology, but for example once you get to the point where you're building microprocessors we know that you should build something simple like RISC-V which lets you skip generations of mistakes. If you actually build RISC-V then we can arrange to have a whole lot of archived software ready for you to use.

by yodon 5y ago

hfkfktnekfm 5y ago

Are you saying that in 100 years all the books in the world will be gone? Absolutely nothing will survive, and post apocalyptic man will not think at all about preserving this knowledge?

joe_g_young 5y ago
Radiation cats [1] would serve as a warning when books disappear. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Interference_Task_Force#Fran%C3%A7oise_Bastide_and_Paolo_Fabbri https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Interference_Task_Forc...

zizee 5y ago

> We needed readily available high grade energy ... You say this as if it is a fact. It's a decent theory, but it's hardly so certain that you should write with such conviction.

roca 5y ago

> all the skills and education will be gone which means you're restarting from zero. Not at all. There will be books containing most human knowledge. It would be hard work for the rebooters to reacquire those skills but much, much easier than redeveloping them from scratch. Plus in many cases there will be artifacts around that can either be reused directly or as models. > those trying to restart civilization will as well Rebooting doesn't have to follow the same development path that we took to get here. It would be very interesting and potentially important to try to find shorter, easier paths to modern technology. It's not obvious to me that such paths can't exist. If they do exist we can record them to guide future generations. I'm only personally familiar with the (current) high end of technology, but for example once you get to the point where you're building microprocessors we know that you should build something simple like RISC-V which lets you skip generations of mistakes. If you actually build RISC-V then we can arrange to have a whole lot of archived software ready for you to use.