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Even still this has to go to the FBI or other law enforcement agency, then it’s passed on to a prosecutor and finally a jury will evaluate. I have a tough time

Even still this has to go to the FBI or other law enforcement agency, then it’s passed on to a prosecutor and finally a jury will evaluate. I have a tough time believing that false positives would slip through that many layers. That isn’t to say CASM scanning or any other type of drag net is OK. But I’m not concerned about a perceptual hash ruining someone’s life, just like I’m not concerned about a botched millimeter wave scan ruining someone’s life for weapons possession.

gambiting 5y ago
>>I have a tough time believing that false positives would slip through that many layers. I don't, not in the slightest. Back in the days when Geek Squad had to report any suspicious images found during routine computer repairs, a guy got reported to the police for having child porn, arrested, fired from his job, named in the local newspaper as a pedophile, all before the prosecutor was actually persuaded by the defense attorney to look at these "disgusting pictures".....which turned out to be his own grand children in a pool. Of course he was immediately released but not before the damage to his life was done. >>But I’m not concerned about a perceptual hash ruining someone’s life I'm incredibly concerned about this, I don't see how you can not be.
- zimpenfish 5y ago
  > Back in the days when Geek Squad had to report any suspicious images [...] which turned out to be his own grand children Do you have a link to sources for this case? I've had a look and can't see anything that matches right now.
  - gambiting 5y ago
    So you know, I'm genuienly trying to find you a link for this case, but it just proves how absolutely shit Google is nowadays. I swear just few years ago I'd find it by just searching "geek squad grandfather wrongly accused" - now searching for this phrase gives me absolute nonsense, with anything past result 5-6 being completely and totally unrelated(6th result is wiki page for killing of marther Luther king). I will post a link if I can't find it, but dealing with Google nowadays is beyond frustrating.
mattnewton 5y ago
By the time it has reached a jury you're already publicly accused of having CSAM which is a life ruining moment on its own, and no one before the jury has much incentive to halt the process on your behalf.
vineyardmike 5y ago
> But I’m not concerned about a perceptual hash ruining someone’s life I want ZERO computerized algorithms involved in any law enforcement process - especially the "criminal hunting" steps.

gambiting 5y ago

>>I have a tough time believing that false positives would slip through that many layers. I don't, not in the slightest. Back in the days when Geek Squad had to report any suspicious images found during routine computer repairs, a guy got reported to the police for having child porn, arrested, fired from his job, named in the local newspaper as a pedophile, all before the prosecutor was actually persuaded by the defense attorney to look at these "disgusting pictures".....which turned out to be his own grand children in a pool. Of course he was immediately released but not before the damage to his life was done. >>But I’m not concerned about a perceptual hash ruining someone’s life I'm incredibly concerned about this, I don't see how you can not be.

zimpenfish 5y ago
> Back in the days when Geek Squad had to report any suspicious images [...] which turned out to be his own grand children Do you have a link to sources for this case? I've had a look and can't see anything that matches right now.
- gambiting 5y ago
  So you know, I'm genuienly trying to find you a link for this case, but it just proves how absolutely shit Google is nowadays. I swear just few years ago I'd find it by just searching "geek squad grandfather wrongly accused" - now searching for this phrase gives me absolute nonsense, with anything past result 5-6 being completely and totally unrelated(6th result is wiki page for killing of marther Luther king). I will post a link if I can't find it, but dealing with Google nowadays is beyond frustrating.

mattnewton 5y ago

By the time it has reached a jury you're already publicly accused of having CSAM which is a life ruining moment on its own, and no one before the jury has much incentive to halt the process on your behalf.

vineyardmike 5y ago

> But I’m not concerned about a perceptual hash ruining someone’s life I want ZERO computerized algorithms involved in any law enforcement process - especially the "criminal hunting" steps.