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Then apple will lose market share and correct their ways. Conversely, what I've seen does put this top of list as a parent. Will notify me if my child is sendi

Then apple will lose market share and correct their ways. Conversely, what I've seen does put this top of list as a parent. Will notify me if my child is sending nudes. Will notify me if someone is sending porn to my child. Will notify police if known child porn is on the device. When folks talk about competition - part of this MUST include the USERS preferences (not as currently done the focus of what I see as largely predatory billers and businesses who I don't care about as a user). I don't want child porn on my systems. Be very happy if apple helps keep it off them. Are these hash databases available more broadly for scanning (ie, could I scan all work machines / storage using a tool of some sort)?

abawany 5y ago
I don't think they will ever be able to walk this back. The governments that twisted Apple's arm to get this look-see into everyone's devices will roast them in the court of public opinion (or threaten to, which will be enough). IMO, this will just open up more and more - it will never go back to being what iDevice owners have now.
- zepto 5y ago
  > The governments that twisted Apple's arm to get this look-see into everyone's devices will roast them in the court of public opinion Nothing about this technology gives governments a ‘look see’ into everyone’s devices.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - artificial 5y ago
    The government controls the hash list.
    - mthoms 5y ago
      No. A registered charity called The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children controls the hash list. Yes, they are partly government funded, but I highly doubt they'd let their mission be compromised by allowing the government to inject non-CP hashes. Doing so would compromise all the work they've performed over the last four decades. These people are (rightfully) very passionate about their work and can't be easily paid off. There are many, many valid concerns about this Apple initiative. But, "The government" injecting non CP images into the CP databases is not one of them.
      - nomel 5y ago
        > by allowing the government to inject non-CP hashes I don't think "allowing" is the concern here, because I highly doubt they get to generate the hashes themselves.
        SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
        Why not? How can we know this isn’t the case? What technical or practical prevention would there be?
        mthoms 5y ago
        I think you misunderstand the Center’s role in this. They review and categorize the images. They maintain the database and provide access to different organizations for the purpose of catching CP. Why wouldn’t they also generate the hashes?
        zepto 5y ago
        Since they are the only ones legally allowed to possess the images, one can surmise that they must be the ones to create the hashes.
      - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
        > No. A registered charity called The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children controls the hash list. Are you aware of the ties to them and the Clinton foundation? I mean, the joke right there that Bill was flying to Epstein’s private island 26 times or so, Maxwell was a guest at Chelsea’s wedding, and their foundation is setting up the NCMEC. Classic Clintons.
paulryanrogers 5y ago
The hash data is secret because if widely known then offenders would know which images were known to law enforcement, and therefore transform or delete only those.
bississippi 5y ago
Would this service notify parents if such a thing happened ? I haven’t see it in their official announcement.
voidnullnil 5y ago
> I don't want child porn on my systems. Be very happy if apple helps keep it off them. Apple is scanning your own _personal_ storage for illegal content. It wouldn't be there in the first place, unless you put it there.

abawany 5y ago

I don't think they will ever be able to walk this back. The governments that twisted Apple's arm to get this look-see into everyone's devices will roast them in the court of public opinion (or threaten to, which will be enough). IMO, this will just open up more and more - it will never go back to being what iDevice owners have now.

zepto 5y ago
> The governments that twisted Apple's arm to get this look-see into everyone's devices will roast them in the court of public opinion Nothing about this technology gives governments a ‘look see’ into everyone’s devices.
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- artificial 5y ago
  The government controls the hash list.
  - mthoms 5y ago
    No. A registered charity called The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children controls the hash list. Yes, they are partly government funded, but I highly doubt they'd let their mission be compromised by allowing the government to inject non-CP hashes. Doing so would compromise all the work they've performed over the last four decades. These people are (rightfully) very passionate about their work and can't be easily paid off. There are many, many valid concerns about this Apple initiative. But, "The government" injecting non CP images into the CP databases is not one of them.
    - nomel 5y ago
      > by allowing the government to inject non-CP hashes I don't think "allowing" is the concern here, because I highly doubt they get to generate the hashes themselves.
      - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
        Why not? How can we know this isn’t the case? What technical or practical prevention would there be?
      - mthoms 5y ago
        I think you misunderstand the Center’s role in this. They review and categorize the images. They maintain the database and provide access to different organizations for the purpose of catching CP. Why wouldn’t they also generate the hashes?
      - zepto 5y ago
        Since they are the only ones legally allowed to possess the images, one can surmise that they must be the ones to create the hashes.
    - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
      > No. A registered charity called The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children controls the hash list. Are you aware of the ties to them and the Clinton foundation? I mean, the joke right there that Bill was flying to Epstein’s private island 26 times or so, Maxwell was a guest at Chelsea’s wedding, and their foundation is setting up the NCMEC. Classic Clintons.

paulryanrogers 5y ago

The hash data is secret because if widely known then offenders would know which images were known to law enforcement, and therefore transform or delete only those.

bississippi 5y ago

Would this service notify parents if such a thing happened ? I haven’t see it in their official announcement.

voidnullnil 5y ago

> I don't want child porn on my systems. Be very happy if apple helps keep it off them. Apple is scanning your own _personal_ storage for illegal content. It wouldn't be there in the first place, unless you put it there.