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Display Postscript got dropped after Rhapsody/MacOS X Server 1.x. None of the 10.0+ releases of macOS used DP, instead it used Quartz2D, eventually added OpenG

by huxley 5y ago

Display Postscript got dropped after Rhapsody/MacOS X Server 1.x. None of the 10.0+ releases of macOS used DP, instead it used Quartz2D, eventually added OpenGL to the mix, and now uses a combo of Quartz and Metal.

AshamedCaptain 5y ago
And you forget the (Quartz/Display) PDF era. The point is, the window server on OS X is about an order of magnitude more historical than that of X, so the argument above is ridiculous.
- whywhywhywhy 5y ago
  Just because it's older doesn't mean it's worse. Next had designers and a product person CEO working on it, X11 did not. End of the day one can drag windows around smoothly and resize them without flickering and have consistent drag and drop etc and the other does not.
  - AshamedCaptain 5y ago
    > Just because it's older doesn't mean it's worse. No, it doesn't. But means one cannot claim "it will always have little bits of jank, always have inconsistencies although all it does is draw objects on a screen" just because it is old, since it turns out it actually isn't. X11 does have a lot of cruft, but so does WindowServer. > End of the day one can drag windows around smoothly and resize them without flickering and have consistent drag and drop etc and the other does not. That is just a lie. I can easily make Firefox flicker on OS X while resizing and I can easily resize say Gtk+3 windows on X without flickering. And I have almost 3 4k displays...
  - pxc 5y ago
    Drag and drop isn't really a window management feature, right? It's a kind of uniform IPC for GUI apps, mostly a way to talk about files and clipboard contents (temporary files, I guess). At any rate, it has nothing to do with the display server. That said, I do agree that I would generally expect even older Apple codebases to be less crufty than stuff like Xorg. Apple rips out legacy APIs and rewrites things pretty ruthlessly on basically every macOS release.

by huxley 5y ago

AshamedCaptain 5y ago

And you forget the (Quartz/Display) PDF era. The point is, the window server on OS X is about an order of magnitude more historical than that of X, so the argument above is ridiculous.

whywhywhywhy 5y ago
Just because it's older doesn't mean it's worse. Next had designers and a product person CEO working on it, X11 did not. End of the day one can drag windows around smoothly and resize them without flickering and have consistent drag and drop etc and the other does not.
- AshamedCaptain 5y ago
  > Just because it's older doesn't mean it's worse. No, it doesn't. But means one cannot claim "it will always have little bits of jank, always have inconsistencies although all it does is draw objects on a screen" just because it is old, since it turns out it actually isn't. X11 does have a lot of cruft, but so does WindowServer. > End of the day one can drag windows around smoothly and resize them without flickering and have consistent drag and drop etc and the other does not. That is just a lie. I can easily make Firefox flicker on OS X while resizing and I can easily resize say Gtk+3 windows on X without flickering. And I have almost 3 4k displays...
- pxc 5y ago
  Drag and drop isn't really a window management feature, right? It's a kind of uniform IPC for GUI apps, mostly a way to talk about files and clipboard contents (temporary files, I guess). At any rate, it has nothing to do with the display server. That said, I do agree that I would generally expect even older Apple codebases to be less crufty than stuff like Xorg. Apple rips out legacy APIs and rewrites things pretty ruthlessly on basically every macOS release.