3 ms·
> Why do they need your approval? They clearly don't. I'm just pointing out that "X for Black People" seems to perpetuate and deepen racial tension and divisio
by thegrimmest 5y ago
> Why do they need your approval?
They clearly don't. I'm just pointing out that "X for Black People" seems to perpetuate and deepen racial tension and division, rather than helping alleviate them. It's moving the needle in the wrong direction, much like a nuclear arms race would.
> The racists and systematic racism are the overwhelming cause
This is not at all clear, and is hideously complicated (see below). To what degree are cultural practices prevalent in (some) black neighborhoods responsible for outcomes?
[1] https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/fryer/files/empirical_analysis_tables_figures.pdf https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/fryer/files/empirical_anal...
[2] https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv19.pdf https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv19.pdf
[3] https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/116/32/15877.full.pdf https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/116/32/15877.full.pdf
> Again, it's not; you call it double-speak.
Yes but as I said, its existence shouldn't take frank discussion of the table.
> How do you know if that individual 'maintains and perpetuates' the culture
I'm no cultural anthropologist, but if an individual engages in a cultural practice that they learned from the cultural group they are a member of, then they can be seen to be perpetuating that practice.
> And if they do, what about you and I therefore maintaining and perpetuating widespread racism, which is common among white people
It's quite simple: I don't engage in the practice of racial discrimination or bigotry, in spite of the fact that it was a common practice among my family and community. I have therefore identified a cultural practice which I consider wrong (or just plain dumb), and consciously chosen not to engage in the practice and not perpetuate it. I am thus an active participant in the evolution and stewardship of my culture. I expect the same from everyone else.
> Why is it so important to you to criticize other people's business? How about we focus on our own conduct and its consequences?
These are not mutually exclusive. I'm not aware of any issues with my conduct. However given this topic's overall popularity, polarization and the aforementioned problematically overloaded terminology, I find it extremely beneficial that these conversations be had in whatever forums can support them. To me, this is what depolarization looks like.
- wolverine876 5y ago>> The racists and systematic racism are the overwhelming cause > This is not at all clear This crosses the line into absurdity. Have a great day!
- thegrimmest 5y agoA bit strange you're not even willing to entertain other causes, or elaborate a even little as to why this is absurd, no? This stuff isn't exactly universally agreed on, academically speaking.