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I didn't understand your viewpoint. What exactly are you angry at in believing the author is "dishing hate" - that the author pointed out that marrying within g

I didn't understand your viewpoint. What exactly are you angry at in believing the author is "dishing hate" - that the author pointed out that marrying within gotras is frowned upon or that people are sometimes killed over it (honour killing)? Both are facts.

ummonk 5y ago
People are murdered by family over all sorts of things, but random incidents don't imply a general pattern. Honor killing is a real occurrence but not over gotra-incest.
- webmobdev 5y ago
  > Honor killing is a real occurrence but not over gotra-incest. Only some Hindus (often castiest / religious fundamentalists) believe that a sexual relationship within the same gotra is incest. And it is that mindset that leads to honour killing in the name of gotra. And they do happen. But you are right that they often aren't the major catalyst for honour killing, even if many demand a ban on same-gotra marriage: Will such so-called “honour killings” stop if the Hindu Marriage Act, 1955 is amended to prohibit marriages within the same gotra? Unlikely. That may be the most publicised of the demands and threats issued by the Khap Mahapanchayat — a congregation of caste Panchayats from Jat strongholds in Haryana, Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan — in Kurukshetra on April 13, and subsequently elsewhere. But it was not the only one. They have also reportedly called for a ban on marriages within the same village and contiguous villages, as well as de-recognition of temple weddings uniting runaway couples. (And it is because of such political demands by castiests / religious fundamentalist Hindus that the popular perception that gotra is responsible for honour killing has spread - not because of some "secular conspiracy" against Hindus.) This has even been challenged in court and marriage within the same gotra has been ruled legal in India even before independence: Same-gotra marriages were declared legally valid by the Bombay High Court as far back as in 1945 in the Madhavrao vs. Raghavendrarao case involving a Deshastha Brahmin couple. Two reputed judges — Harilal Kania (who became the first Chief Justice of independent India) and P.B. Gajendragadkar (who went on to become the Chief Justice of India in the 1960s) — examined several court verdicts, consulted the writings of leading experts and quoted from Hindu scriptures in their ruling on whether a 'sagotra' (same-gotra) marriage was valid under Hindu law/custom. They concluded that it was. Source: No honour in murder - https://www.thehindu.com/features/magazine/No-honour-in-murder/article16302614.ece https://www.thehindu.com/features/magazine/No-honour-in-murd...

ummonk 5y ago

People are murdered by family over all sorts of things, but random incidents don't imply a general pattern. Honor killing is a real occurrence but not over gotra-incest.

webmobdev 5y ago
> Honor killing is a real occurrence but not over gotra-incest. Only some Hindus (often castiest / religious fundamentalists) believe that a sexual relationship within the same gotra is incest. And it is that mindset that leads to honour killing in the name of gotra. And they do happen. But you are right that they often aren't the major catalyst for honour killing, even if many demand a ban on same-gotra marriage: Will such so-called “honour killings” stop if the Hindu Marriage Act, 1955 is amended to prohibit marriages within the same gotra? Unlikely. That may be the most publicised of the demands and threats issued by the Khap Mahapanchayat — a congregation of caste Panchayats from Jat strongholds in Haryana, Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan — in Kurukshetra on April 13, and subsequently elsewhere. But it was not the only one. They have also reportedly called for a ban on marriages within the same village and contiguous villages, as well as de-recognition of temple weddings uniting runaway couples. (And it is because of such political demands by castiests / religious fundamentalist Hindus that the popular perception that gotra is responsible for honour killing has spread - not because of some "secular conspiracy" against Hindus.) This has even been challenged in court and marriage within the same gotra has been ruled legal in India even before independence: Same-gotra marriages were declared legally valid by the Bombay High Court as far back as in 1945 in the Madhavrao vs. Raghavendrarao case involving a Deshastha Brahmin couple. Two reputed judges — Harilal Kania (who became the first Chief Justice of independent India) and P.B. Gajendragadkar (who went on to become the Chief Justice of India in the 1960s) — examined several court verdicts, consulted the writings of leading experts and quoted from Hindu scriptures in their ruling on whether a 'sagotra' (same-gotra) marriage was valid under Hindu law/custom. They concluded that it was. Source: No honour in murder - https://www.thehindu.com/features/magazine/No-honour-in-murder/article16302614.ece https://www.thehindu.com/features/magazine/No-honour-in-murd...