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> B. The small group of people who have formed an organization which may or may not be another Anom like FBI controlled software. Um, this project is 100% open

by dheera 5y ago

> B. The small group of people who have formed an organization which may or may not be another Anom like FBI controlled software. Um, this project is 100% open source, unlike Google's flavor of Android. If there are backdoors to the FBI they will be exposed in due time. https://gitlab.com/CalyxOS https://gitlab.com/CalyxOS That said I'd love to understand how it compares to LineageOS.

tkzed49 5y ago
I just don't buy this take. There's so much code; how can you be certain it will face sufficient scrutiny just by virtue of being available?
- enriquto 5y ago
  you cannot be certain, but at least the code has the chance to be publicly scrutinized. This is not the case at all with google binaries, so you have a net, objective gain.
- atatatat 5y ago
  This is a valid criticism. Upstream being AOSP helps a lot.
atatatat 5y ago
Well, Calyx keeps the basic security model of Android intact (verified boot), unlike Lineage.
- zozbot234 5y ago
  Custom verified boot needs to be supported in hardware. But with most devices, you can use "fastboot boot" from an external device to start from an image that you trust.
  - cdesai 5y ago
    Note: You can only do this when the bootloader is unlocked. When it's locked (which is the entire point of custom verified boot), this is not allowed.
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  Indeed, but in return it only supports pixel phones, sadly (considering they're not great value for money for custom rom purposes, and most of their added value is lost when running a custom rom)
  - mdp2021 5y ago
    > most of their added value is lost when running a custom rom Could you please explain?
    - GekkePrutser 5y ago
      Well, Google packages the pixel phones with their latest OS updates and pixel specific features like Gcam. By running a custom ROM you lose those. Its cameras mainly perform so well because of the big AI farms at Google.
      - cdesai 5y ago
        Google Camera works just fine, entirely offline as well. You do miss out on some other pixel-specific features (Hold for Me for example), but camera quality should be unaffected.
      - atatatat 5y ago
        Pixel cameras are great, regardless of what app used.
  - atatatat 5y ago
    > considering they're not great value for money for custom rom purposes I pay $120-$350 for used Pixels. What I guess I'm trying to say is: Huh?

by dheera 5y ago

tkzed49 5y ago

I just don't buy this take. There's so much code; how can you be certain it will face sufficient scrutiny just by virtue of being available?

enriquto 5y ago
you cannot be certain, but at least the code has the chance to be publicly scrutinized. This is not the case at all with google binaries, so you have a net, objective gain.
atatatat 5y ago
This is a valid criticism. Upstream being AOSP helps a lot.

atatatat 5y ago

Well, Calyx keeps the basic security model of Android intact (verified boot), unlike Lineage.

zozbot234 5y ago
Custom verified boot needs to be supported in hardware. But with most devices, you can use "fastboot boot" from an external device to start from an image that you trust.
- cdesai 5y ago
  Note: You can only do this when the bootloader is unlocked. When it's locked (which is the entire point of custom verified boot), this is not allowed.
GekkePrutser 5y ago
Indeed, but in return it only supports pixel phones, sadly (considering they're not great value for money for custom rom purposes, and most of their added value is lost when running a custom rom)
- mdp2021 5y ago
  > most of their added value is lost when running a custom rom Could you please explain?
  - GekkePrutser 5y ago
    Well, Google packages the pixel phones with their latest OS updates and pixel specific features like Gcam. By running a custom ROM you lose those. Its cameras mainly perform so well because of the big AI farms at Google.
    - cdesai 5y ago
      Google Camera works just fine, entirely offline as well. You do miss out on some other pixel-specific features (Hold for Me for example), but camera quality should be unaffected.
    - atatatat 5y ago
      Pixel cameras are great, regardless of what app used.
- atatatat 5y ago
  > considering they're not great value for money for custom rom purposes I pay $120-$350 for used Pixels. What I guess I'm trying to say is: Huh?