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What does the Delta variant mean for you?

11 points by colinprince 5y ago

thedream 5y ago
Another wave of shrieking propagandists and the abuse of statistics with the intent to terrify people into thoughtless compliance.
- exac 5y ago
  We only have delta because people did not either take precautions (masks, distancing), get vaccinated, or both.
  - thedream 5y ago
    Which TV news actor gave you that idea?
  - ohhhhhh 5y ago
    false
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    Delta came from India. You have delta because you have open borders. Your vaccine can prevent some serious cases and reduce your infection rate but it makes it more likely that you are an unaware carrier and super spreader.
  - 13years 5y ago
    And what if it is exactly the opposite of that? The evolutionary mechanism of viruses predicted this outcome. Selective pressure (vaccines) enhanced the evolution. https://odysee.com/@DarkHorsePodcastClips:b/Natural-Vs-Vaccine-immunity:4 https://odysee.com/@DarkHorsePodcastClips:b/Natural-Vs-Vacci...
- thechao 5y ago
  I’m trying to understand your comment in the most positive way I can. However, you seem to be implying that either mechanical prevention measures (masks; distancing) or biomedical (vaccines) would be ineffective in treating and/or preventing the spread of COVID and its variants? Is there a reason you think this? I used to work as a biostatisticians in the depth of epidemiology at UTMB Galveston. I think the basic advice of: “distance, mask, vaccine” is the most effective form of disease prevention known to science. It is very effective.
  - 13years 5y ago
    Reality often astonishes theory. Sweden, Gibraltar and Israel would like to have a discussion with this science.
    - thechao 5y ago
      I have family and friends in Israel; also, about a dozen close colleagues. Israel has used a fairly sophisticated version of mask+distancing+vaccines since day one. This has flattened their infection curve, admirably. Or … just to make sure we’re on the same page: do you think these prophylaxes permanently prevent infection? That’s a misunderstanding of what these prophylaxis are for.
      - 13years 5y ago
        It is more about I see reports of increasing number of breakthrough infections in Israel. https://trialsitenews.com/breakthrough-infections-continue-to-rise-in-israel-as-authorities-work-to-secure-third-vaccine-dose/ https://trialsitenews.com/breakthrough-infections-continue-t... There is a lot of discussion about these vaccines being leaky ( they don't stop transmission ). Therefore the whole premise on which the pandemic response is based is flawed. We are not on a path to elimination.
        thechao 5y ago
        A vaccine, a mask, and social distancing reduce the probability of getting sick. In particular, a vaccine does not make you immune, like some sort of cartoon superhero. Instead, a vaccine dramatically improves the response time of your immune system to infection. If you’re surrounded by the infected, you’re gonna get sick. If we had high rates of vaccination plus dedicated masking & distancing we could kill this virus. Just like we eradicated smallpox.
GaryTang 5y ago
To me it means the following will follow: Echo variant, Foxtrot variant, Golf variant… When technology allows for hyper tracking of cases and strains, the common cold suddenly vanishes and what emerges is something much more specific.

11 points by colinprince 5y ago

Another wave of shrieking propagandists and the abuse of statistics with the intent to terrify people into thoughtless compliance.

exac 5y ago
We only have delta because people did not either take precautions (masks, distancing), get vaccinated, or both.
- thedream 5y ago
  Which TV news actor gave you that idea?
- ohhhhhh 5y ago
  false
- ipaddr 5y ago
  Delta came from India. You have delta because you have open borders. Your vaccine can prevent some serious cases and reduce your infection rate but it makes it more likely that you are an unaware carrier and super spreader.
- 13years 5y ago
  And what if it is exactly the opposite of that? The evolutionary mechanism of viruses predicted this outcome. Selective pressure (vaccines) enhanced the evolution. https://odysee.com/@DarkHorsePodcastClips:b/Natural-Vs-Vaccine-immunity:4 https://odysee.com/@DarkHorsePodcastClips:b/Natural-Vs-Vacci...
thechao 5y ago
I’m trying to understand your comment in the most positive way I can. However, you seem to be implying that either mechanical prevention measures (masks; distancing) or biomedical (vaccines) would be ineffective in treating and/or preventing the spread of COVID and its variants? Is there a reason you think this? I used to work as a biostatisticians in the depth of epidemiology at UTMB Galveston. I think the basic advice of: “distance, mask, vaccine” is the most effective form of disease prevention known to science. It is very effective.
- 13years 5y ago
  Reality often astonishes theory. Sweden, Gibraltar and Israel would like to have a discussion with this science.
  - thechao 5y ago
    I have family and friends in Israel; also, about a dozen close colleagues. Israel has used a fairly sophisticated version of mask+distancing+vaccines since day one. This has flattened their infection curve, admirably. Or … just to make sure we’re on the same page: do you think these prophylaxes permanently prevent infection? That’s a misunderstanding of what these prophylaxis are for.
    - 13years 5y ago
      It is more about I see reports of increasing number of breakthrough infections in Israel. https://trialsitenews.com/breakthrough-infections-continue-to-rise-in-israel-as-authorities-work-to-secure-third-vaccine-dose/ https://trialsitenews.com/breakthrough-infections-continue-t... There is a lot of discussion about these vaccines being leaky ( they don't stop transmission ). Therefore the whole premise on which the pandemic response is based is flawed. We are not on a path to elimination.
      - thechao 5y ago
        A vaccine, a mask, and social distancing reduce the probability of getting sick. In particular, a vaccine does not make you immune, like some sort of cartoon superhero. Instead, a vaccine dramatically improves the response time of your immune system to infection. If you’re surrounded by the infected, you’re gonna get sick. If we had high rates of vaccination plus dedicated masking & distancing we could kill this virus. Just like we eradicated smallpox.

GaryTang 5y ago

To me it means the following will follow: Echo variant, Foxtrot variant, Golf variant… When technology allows for hyper tracking of cases and strains, the common cold suddenly vanishes and what emerges is something much more specific.