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I have absolutely no comment on Apple that you or anyone else hasn’t made. Except your comments about hash matching, the whole point is it goes to manual confir

I have absolutely no comment on Apple that you or anyone else hasn’t made. Except your comments about hash matching, the whole point is it goes to manual confirmation, they don’t just detect an illegal hash and come arrest you. But do you seriously think this isn’t going to be the standard for Android, Windows, ChromeOS, OSX, etc coming at degrees of time or implementation? I know all the Android people are just thinking “I can root” or “I’ll run Lineage” which is well and good but relatively no one else will. Stomping your feet and saying No More Apple For Me is not a winner here. It needs to be worse than that for them. What that looks like? I’m just as clueless as anyone else.

gigel82 5y ago
I've been trying to get more clarity on this point (`it goes to manual confirmation`) but was unable to. Remember, they're saying this is something that happens on your own device, with your personal photos, not in the cloud. Is this saying they can randomly choose to upload any personal files (photos) on your device to their servers for a person to look at, because they match a "hash"? Is this not absolutely batshit crazy !?
- jodrellblank 5y ago
  You know these are photos you requested to upload to iCloud, which would already under the existing system be scanned once they get there, right? But if they get scanned first and then uploaded to Apple that's "absolutely batshit crazy"?? Edit reply in here because I'm rate-limited by drive-by downvoters: Which part isn't clear to you? - That they already scanned iCloud photos for such material? Here is an article from 18 months ago about it: http://web.archive.org/web/20210728085553/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/01/08/apple-scans-icloud-photos-check-child-abuse/ http://web.archive.org/web/20210728085553/https://www.telegr... - That this is only for iCloud photos and not everyone's every photo? "CSAM detection will help Apple provide valuable information to law enforcement on collections of CSAM in iCloud Photos" - https://www.apple.com/child-safety/ https://www.apple.com/child-safety/ paragraph 3. - Why? From the rest of that link, "providing significant privacy benefits over existing techniques since Apple only learns about users’ photos if they have a collection of known CSAM in their iCloud Photos account. Even in these cases, Apple only learns about images that match known CSAM."
  - gigel82 5y ago
    No, that part is not clear to me at all. If they would be "scanned anyway", why would this system exist at all?
    - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
      Because not every photo is uploaded to iCloud. If you use iCloud, this is already happening today, probably. If you don’t use iCloud, yes, the idea is local scan, match hash, then upload for manual review. The involuntary upload will have been covered by the EULA. I’m not endorsing the idea. But this seems to be the only way it could work.
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gigel82 5y ago

I've been trying to get more clarity on this point (`it goes to manual confirmation`) but was unable to. Remember, they're saying this is something that happens on your own device, with your personal photos, not in the cloud. Is this saying they can randomly choose to upload any personal files (photos) on your device to their servers for a person to look at, because they match a "hash"? Is this not absolutely batshit crazy !?

jodrellblank 5y ago
You know these are photos you requested to upload to iCloud, which would already under the existing system be scanned once they get there, right? But if they get scanned first and then uploaded to Apple that's "absolutely batshit crazy"?? Edit reply in here because I'm rate-limited by drive-by downvoters: Which part isn't clear to you? - That they already scanned iCloud photos for such material? Here is an article from 18 months ago about it: http://web.archive.org/web/20210728085553/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/01/08/apple-scans-icloud-photos-check-child-abuse/ http://web.archive.org/web/20210728085553/https://www.telegr... - That this is only for iCloud photos and not everyone's every photo? "CSAM detection will help Apple provide valuable information to law enforcement on collections of CSAM in iCloud Photos" - https://www.apple.com/child-safety/ https://www.apple.com/child-safety/ paragraph 3. - Why? From the rest of that link, "providing significant privacy benefits over existing techniques since Apple only learns about users’ photos if they have a collection of known CSAM in their iCloud Photos account. Even in these cases, Apple only learns about images that match known CSAM."
- gigel82 5y ago
  No, that part is not clear to me at all. If they would be "scanned anyway", why would this system exist at all?
  - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
    Because not every photo is uploaded to iCloud. If you use iCloud, this is already happening today, probably. If you don’t use iCloud, yes, the idea is local scan, match hash, then upload for manual review. The involuntary upload will have been covered by the EULA. I’m not endorsing the idea. But this seems to be the only way it could work.

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