If you want numbers, it's sadly more like Stewart's "I know it when I see it" comment. But I think we're also talking about reaching different bars. My comment

If you want numbers, it's sadly more like Stewart's "I know it when I see it" comment. But I think we're also talking about reaching different bars. My comment was in reaction to jolux's assertion that those exploring other solutions to safety are acting in an irresponsible, unprofessional, and unethical manner. I've been digging into Zig and Ada on the side for personal projects, and thus spending time on their respective reddits and forums. And dealing with the Rust zealots trolling these communities is verging on intolerable. Like you point out, "Why Reddit is like this" is a whole other issue, but there's a reason people are reflexively defensive. This issue comes up in the content of the podcast under discussion as well. So my bar in this case was the point where we should converge on some single solution, which I don't think is representative of Rust's official stance, but it is an issue with Rust's larger informal community. Or maybe it's just a problem with Reddit and HN. The bar I suspect you are talking about is more along the lines of should people be using Rust in production, and clearly Rust has reached that point. People with far more at stake than I have are successfully using Rust in production, and that is a necessary step forward to things like a formal standard and multiple implementations. Your point around the outward facing marketing is interesting. It's a shame and I don't think it speaks well of us as in industry that we tend to be so tribal around discussing the deficiency and comparisons of our tools, but I can see where the idea to focus on what your own project can do is more effective messaging. Its interesting how that kind of ties back to this post https://steveklabnik.com/writing/rust-is-more-than-safety https://steveklabnik.com/writing/rust-is-more-than-safety in which you dig into some of the issues marketing Rust. FWIW you now have me wondering the same question of why does Zig deserve to exist when Ada exists as well and start to see if I can put together a decent comparison to understand the spaces they all function in.