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> "The very fact of existence of such Spyware Engine has effect that each person would behave as 'someone is looking'. This means zero privacy. This means 'no p

> "The very fact of existence of such Spyware Engine has effect that each person would behave as 'someone is looking'. This means zero privacy. This means 'no privacy' feeling. Everyone is more 'careful' when people around." These are pressures which likely help keep society relatively stable. People's behaviour is guided and influenced by what other people might think of it, and human ancestral environment up until cities(?) was small groups and families and villages where everyone knew everyone else's business. I don't think we should take it as given that changing that is unarguably for the better. Historically there was always the chance that someone would eavesdrop, or see your diary lying around, or open your mail, > "And this has prolonged effect on society's freedom, democracy and rights of individual because independent thinking happens when true privacy is there" Citation needed because "Please don't machine-process my photos because I get so anxious I can't think" sounds like a problem you need to deal with, not a problem for everyone else to deal with. So does "The effect will be also huge. Just imagine what they will do next if they get away with this." - always jumping to the worst possible doom scenario is something people see therapists about. > "The issue here is installation of Spyware Engine." This is no more than a bank having to make sure you aren't storing stolen diamonds in their bank vaults, and they've now found a way to check only the things people are about to bring into the bank to alert the bank as early as possible.

kian 5y ago
I'm glad you've nailed the crux of the problem - if this is no more than a bank making sure you aren't storing stolen diamonds in their bank vaults -- then surely the analogy to bank vaults here is 'the phone you purchased from Apple'. But you are right - as long as they have the right to push code to your device at any time, it isn't really yours. Shame it costs so much to keep the bank's vaults in our pockets at all times.
- jodrellblank 5y ago
  This system does not stop you keeping whatever you want on the phone you purchased from Apple, it only affects what you try to send to iCloud, so no the analogy to bank vaults is not your phone, it is asking Apple to hold your data on their servers and people trying to send them illegal data to hold.
  - kian 5y ago
    But it's a single line-of-code change away to change that. If someone amasses troops along your border for 'military exercises', do you just trust them not to walk over if they find no defenses there?

kian 5y ago

I'm glad you've nailed the crux of the problem - if this is no more than a bank making sure you aren't storing stolen diamonds in their bank vaults -- then surely the analogy to bank vaults here is 'the phone you purchased from Apple'. But you are right - as long as they have the right to push code to your device at any time, it isn't really yours. Shame it costs so much to keep the bank's vaults in our pockets at all times.

jodrellblank 5y ago
This system does not stop you keeping whatever you want on the phone you purchased from Apple, it only affects what you try to send to iCloud, so no the analogy to bank vaults is not your phone, it is asking Apple to hold your data on their servers and people trying to send them illegal data to hold.
- kian 5y ago
  But it's a single line-of-code change away to change that. If someone amasses troops along your border for 'military exercises', do you just trust them not to walk over if they find no defenses there?