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I'm Russian and, probably, I don't really understand the situation with race in US. But I think that MLK was fighting against this "X for black people" thing.

I'm Russian and, probably, I don't really understand the situation with race in US. But I think that MLK was fighting against this "X for black people" thing. (X == buses, schools, shops, etc). Isn't it racism and segregation?

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emerged 5y ago
I’m American and believe me, at least half of the country thinks shit like this is utterly insane and divisive. But there is no reasoning with ideologues.
ironMonkey 5y ago
Oh my, buddy, you had it even worse than the yanks did. Have you ever had an apology from your state for the serfdom, any reparations? The Atlantic empire enslaved people different by color, language, religion and used them as a tool for centuries. Now, they are attempting to fix it. The Rus' enslaved people of it's own creed, skin color and religion. Made them property as well. But, when serfdom cracked, everyone was like `okay moving on to the next chapter of our glorious history`. Why would you reckon you'd ever grasp foreign problems, when at your own house you were scammed like a sucker?
- neartheplain 5y ago
  >Oh my, buddy, you had it even worse than the yanks did. Have you ever had an apology from your state for the serfdom, any reparations? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution Condescending to others about their own country's history is not a good look.
  - ironMonkey 5y ago
    How does the OR even relates to a person not getting the race relations of the USA? I elaborated my view by pointing out their version of slavery was shushed and never addressed with. The descendants never draw conclusions from their own history, failing to understand what's the deal with USA at their current timeline. Looks like you're unaware of the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_Revolution https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_Revolution which steamrolled the foothold for hacks taking over (the October Revolution).
- dang 5y ago
  We ban accounts that take HN threads into poisonous flamewars. The GP did that too, and shouldn't have, but this is a whole other level of nastiness and offtopicness. Please don't post like this to HN, if you want to keep commenting here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - ironMonkey 5y ago
    Do it!
qkqk 5y ago
If you read more than the headline it might better your understanding. Racism is the belief that different races are distinctly inferior or superior to one another. [1] I don't see anything in the author's post or the product that indicates they believe Black people are racially superior. Segregation, specifically in context of what King was fighting for, means spatial or institutional separation of the races. [2] Clearly not the case here, they are pushing for more representation of Black people in media, not less. (There are other civil rights leaders you can invoke besides MLK when you're feigning outrage btw) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation
dragonwriter 5y ago
> 'm Russian and, probably, I don't really understand the situation with race in US. Correct. > But I think that MLK was fighting against this "X for black people" thing. No, Dr. King was not fighting against Black-founded commercial services attempting to serve the particular interests of Black consumer. But, that's a pretty good illustration that your first sentence is correct (though its also a pretty good mimicry of American White conservatives coopting Dr. King, so, maybe you do understand a bit about race-based political propaganda in America.)
dang 5y ago
"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
  Hm. I'm sorry, it wasn't meant to be a flamebait. Also, can you please clarify about tangents? Looked up for a translation of the word 'tangent' and the meaning is still unclear. (English is not my first language)
  - tptacek 5y ago
    In the idiom, a tangent is a branching divergence from the main conversation; it's related to that conversation, but is taking it in a new direction. Tangents are fine, and often good, but we are careful about them here when they lead into predictable off-topic arguments.
    - TigeriusKirk 5y ago
      > we are careful about them here when they lead into predictable off-topic arguments. This is not remotely true of this site.
      - tptacek 5y ago
        You can add the worst "ostensibly" if it makes you feel better.
      - dang 5y ago
        https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20tangent&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
        TigeriusKirk 5y ago
        I'm aware of your posts and I stand by my assertion.

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emerged 5y ago

I’m American and believe me, at least half of the country thinks shit like this is utterly insane and divisive. But there is no reasoning with ideologues.

ironMonkey 5y ago

Oh my, buddy, you had it even worse than the yanks did. Have you ever had an apology from your state for the serfdom, any reparations? The Atlantic empire enslaved people different by color, language, religion and used them as a tool for centuries. Now, they are attempting to fix it. The Rus' enslaved people of it's own creed, skin color and religion. Made them property as well. But, when serfdom cracked, everyone was like `okay moving on to the next chapter of our glorious history`. Why would you reckon you'd ever grasp foreign problems, when at your own house you were scammed like a sucker?

neartheplain 5y ago
>Oh my, buddy, you had it even worse than the yanks did. Have you ever had an apology from your state for the serfdom, any reparations? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution Condescending to others about their own country's history is not a good look.
- ironMonkey 5y ago
  How does the OR even relates to a person not getting the race relations of the USA? I elaborated my view by pointing out their version of slavery was shushed and never addressed with. The descendants never draw conclusions from their own history, failing to understand what's the deal with USA at their current timeline. Looks like you're unaware of the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_Revolution https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_Revolution which steamrolled the foothold for hacks taking over (the October Revolution).
dang 5y ago
We ban accounts that take HN threads into poisonous flamewars. The GP did that too, and shouldn't have, but this is a whole other level of nastiness and offtopicness. Please don't post like this to HN, if you want to keep commenting here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- ironMonkey 5y ago
  Do it!

qkqk 5y ago

If you read more than the headline it might better your understanding. Racism is the belief that different races are distinctly inferior or superior to one another. [1] I don't see anything in the author's post or the product that indicates they believe Black people are racially superior. Segregation, specifically in context of what King was fighting for, means spatial or institutional separation of the races. [2] Clearly not the case here, they are pushing for more representation of Black people in media, not less. (There are other civil rights leaders you can invoke besides MLK when you're feigning outrage btw) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation

dragonwriter 5y ago

> 'm Russian and, probably, I don't really understand the situation with race in US. Correct. > But I think that MLK was fighting against this "X for black people" thing. No, Dr. King was not fighting against Black-founded commercial services attempting to serve the particular interests of Black consumer. But, that's a pretty good illustration that your first sentence is correct (though its also a pretty good mimicry of American White conservatives coopting Dr. King, so, maybe you do understand a bit about race-based political propaganda in America.)

dang 5y ago

"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
Hm. I'm sorry, it wasn't meant to be a flamebait. Also, can you please clarify about tangents? Looked up for a translation of the word 'tangent' and the meaning is still unclear. (English is not my first language)
- tptacek 5y ago
  In the idiom, a tangent is a branching divergence from the main conversation; it's related to that conversation, but is taking it in a new direction. Tangents are fine, and often good, but we are careful about them here when they lead into predictable off-topic arguments.
  - TigeriusKirk 5y ago
    > we are careful about them here when they lead into predictable off-topic arguments. This is not remotely true of this site.
    - tptacek 5y ago
      You can add the worst "ostensibly" if it makes you feel better.
    - dang 5y ago
      https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20tangent&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
      - TigeriusKirk 5y ago
        I'm aware of your posts and I stand by my assertion.