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> I don't know what country you're from but if you don't think there are subcultures in your country under-represented by the dominant media I'd assert you're a

> I don't know what country you're from but if you don't think there are subcultures in your country under-represented by the dominant media I'd assert you're almost definitely wrong What constitutes under-repressented? Is proportionally represented ok? I mean, I'm one of those "subcultures" and honestly I don't feel the need to be represented in media. I'm ok with it, but I don't see what does it bring to me or to my "subculture". We need investment in infraestructure and political-institutional changes. I understand it's your country, so your own to decide but I agree with the other user, I really can't understand why so much focus with media representation in the US. It feels weird, and honestly the logic behind it comes as very superficial and light-minded.

throwaway894345 5y ago
> What constitutes under-repressented? Is proportionally represented ok? Reminds me of an article a while back complaining that Muslim characters were underrepresented in film despite being 2X proportion, meanwhile Christian characters in film are rarely represented (and secular characters wildly over-represented). When identifiably Muslim and Christian characters are portrayed in film, they are frequently villains (Muslims being terrorists and Christians being bigots, typically) and when they aren't villains they are fundamentally secular but maybe they wear a cross necklace or feature prominently in a corny Christmas special (e.g., Turk from Scrubs). Anyway, this is all a tangent, sorry for the digression, etc.
jhcxdfb 5y ago
Well, some Americans, like myself, have hoped that the vision of the melting pot would come to pass instead of this new segregation movement. But it seems that the Woke movement wants us to resegregate: don't share culture, that's cultural appropriation. Don't move to an area that isn't your racial makeup, that's gentrification. Don't hire people who are white, if you can help it. That's inclusion. Create institutions, like TV channels, only for specific races. That's diversity. Pass lots of "stimulus" bills to trigger inflation through printing money, causing everyone from the middle to the bottom to get poorer, but the same amount of poor by the end of it. That's equity.
- jb775 5y ago
  The WOKE crowd is literally making everything worse in America. They act like they care about certain subcultures, but gentrify those subcultures out of their own lives and indirectly take advantage of them. They probably represent less than 5% of Americans, but no one wants to deal with the downside of telling them to shut the hell up and that they're fake people. "Bobo's in Paradise" and "Revolt of the Elites and the Betrayal of Democracy are good books to explain what's really going on.
nindalf 5y ago
Almost all the movies and TV shows and video games I’ve consumed featured no one who looked like me. But I still felt represented when a character behaved like I did or was interested in the same things I was - characteristics that formed a bigger part of my identity than my skin colour. I’d speculate you might be the same - you’re listening to stories that feature people who display characteristics similar to yours. But here’s the thing you’re missing - if your race is a dominant part of your identity, like it is for many black people in America, it’s certainly normal to look for stories that feature black people and black stories. Stories where the characters experience problems and issues similar to the ones they might face in their lives.
- spaniard89277 5y ago
  > But here’s the thing you’re missing - if your race is a dominant part of your identity, like it is for many black people in America, it’s certainly normal to look for stories that feature black people and black stories. Stories where the characters experience problems and issues similar to the ones they might face in their lives. Yeah, maybe, I can perhaps agree with that, but I still fail to see the political proposition. Maybe I should live in the US to understand it, but honestly when I read about black-americans It seems many of their pressing issues are material ones, and the ones that aren't are probably very related to material ones and I fail to see how a netflix for black people is going to change any of that, except reinforce an ingroup-outgroup dynamic.
  - nindalf 5y ago
    It doesn't really answer this question, but the show #blackAF on Netflix helped me learn a bit more about black people in America. For example, fatherhood is challenging for everyone, but the expectations on black fathers is a bit different. This show portrayed those challenges well. There most certainly is an ingroup-outgroup dynamic, but I don't think a Black Netflix intensifies it, it merely caters to that audience, just like Netflix is doing with #blackAF or DisneyPlus is doing with blackish.
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browningstreet 5y ago
I'm part of a subculture and every instance of "representation" that MSM throws our way is radically off, horrible in every way. I'm not looking for more of that. If I was in a more predominant subculture, maybe I'd be interested in accurate representation, but expecting a lot of that from entertainment doesn't seem wise. Accepting entertainment for what it is, and not necessarily representation, feels like a more manageable remove.

throwaway894345 5y ago

> What constitutes under-repressented? Is proportionally represented ok? Reminds me of an article a while back complaining that Muslim characters were underrepresented in film despite being 2X proportion, meanwhile Christian characters in film are rarely represented (and secular characters wildly over-represented). When identifiably Muslim and Christian characters are portrayed in film, they are frequently villains (Muslims being terrorists and Christians being bigots, typically) and when they aren't villains they are fundamentally secular but maybe they wear a cross necklace or feature prominently in a corny Christmas special (e.g., Turk from Scrubs). Anyway, this is all a tangent, sorry for the digression, etc.

jhcxdfb 5y ago

Well, some Americans, like myself, have hoped that the vision of the melting pot would come to pass instead of this new segregation movement. But it seems that the Woke movement wants us to resegregate: don't share culture, that's cultural appropriation. Don't move to an area that isn't your racial makeup, that's gentrification. Don't hire people who are white, if you can help it. That's inclusion. Create institutions, like TV channels, only for specific races. That's diversity. Pass lots of "stimulus" bills to trigger inflation through printing money, causing everyone from the middle to the bottom to get poorer, but the same amount of poor by the end of it. That's equity.

jb775 5y ago
The WOKE crowd is literally making everything worse in America. They act like they care about certain subcultures, but gentrify those subcultures out of their own lives and indirectly take advantage of them. They probably represent less than 5% of Americans, but no one wants to deal with the downside of telling them to shut the hell up and that they're fake people. "Bobo's in Paradise" and "Revolt of the Elites and the Betrayal of Democracy are good books to explain what's really going on.

nindalf 5y ago

Almost all the movies and TV shows and video games I’ve consumed featured no one who looked like me. But I still felt represented when a character behaved like I did or was interested in the same things I was - characteristics that formed a bigger part of my identity than my skin colour. I’d speculate you might be the same - you’re listening to stories that feature people who display characteristics similar to yours. But here’s the thing you’re missing - if your race is a dominant part of your identity, like it is for many black people in America, it’s certainly normal to look for stories that feature black people and black stories. Stories where the characters experience problems and issues similar to the ones they might face in their lives.

spaniard89277 5y ago
> But here’s the thing you’re missing - if your race is a dominant part of your identity, like it is for many black people in America, it’s certainly normal to look for stories that feature black people and black stories. Stories where the characters experience problems and issues similar to the ones they might face in their lives. Yeah, maybe, I can perhaps agree with that, but I still fail to see the political proposition. Maybe I should live in the US to understand it, but honestly when I read about black-americans It seems many of their pressing issues are material ones, and the ones that aren't are probably very related to material ones and I fail to see how a netflix for black people is going to change any of that, except reinforce an ingroup-outgroup dynamic.
- nindalf 5y ago
  It doesn't really answer this question, but the show #blackAF on Netflix helped me learn a bit more about black people in America. For example, fatherhood is challenging for everyone, but the expectations on black fathers is a bit different. This show portrayed those challenges well. There most certainly is an ingroup-outgroup dynamic, but I don't think a Black Netflix intensifies it, it merely caters to that audience, just like Netflix is doing with #blackAF or DisneyPlus is doing with blackish.
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browningstreet 5y ago

I'm part of a subculture and every instance of "representation" that MSM throws our way is radically off, horrible in every way. I'm not looking for more of that. If I was in a more predominant subculture, maybe I'd be interested in accurate representation, but expecting a lot of that from entertainment doesn't seem wise. Accepting entertainment for what it is, and not necessarily representation, feels like a more manageable remove.