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Laptop | Desktop: https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/overview/cp/linuxsystems https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/overview/cp/linuxsystem... Router: https:/

Laptop | Desktop: https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/overview/cp/linuxsystems https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/overview/cp/linuxsystem... Router: https://www.turris.com/en/omnia/overview/ https://www.turris.com/en/omnia/overview/ Media Center: https://osmc.tv/vero/ https://osmc.tv/vero/ Cloud (Use TrueNAS Scale): https://www.truenas.com/systems-overview/ https://www.truenas.com/systems-overview/ Phone: https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ Watch: https://pine64.com/product/pinetime-smartwatch-sealed/ https://pine64.com/product/pinetime-smartwatch-sealed/ Smart Thermostat: https://hestiapi.com/product/hestiapi-touch-one-free-shipping/ https://hestiapi.com/product/hestiapi-touch-one-free-shippin... If you go this route all devices will be running Linux. The one OS route is kindof nice, hence the pinephone over open android alternatives (like Graphene OS). I sorted from least to most technical. I also tried to pick the least technical challenging in each category. The Dell stuff should just work. The Phone will require some tinkering for the moment.

fsflover 5y ago
Another phone: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 Laptop: https://puri.sm/products/librem-14 https://puri.sm/products/librem-14
- ipodopt 5y ago
  I have their laptop and do not recommend them. Honestly, I sort of regret the purchase. - They lie about specifications like battery life (and other things). I get about 1 hour on my ~5 hour battery life when web browsing. - My laptop had a race condition at boot that would prevent boot 50% of the time. There was a workaround. - Wifi had a range of maybe ten feet (not joking). I am sure there new laptop is better however I do not really trust them after my interactions. Especially for something more novel like a linux phone. On the other hand, Pine64 is very focused on their hardware stack. All their products are running a very similar hardware unlike Purism. They are moving way more product then Purism and are better liked. Hence they have a stronger community. They are also much cheaper phone-wise for a similar feature set. And you can actually buy and receive the phone. In terms of alternatives I think System76 is pretty good desktop wise right now. Laptop are alright. Waiting for their upcoming in-house laptop.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    This is quite interesting. I'm writing this on their Librem 15 and can't recommend it enough. No problems with booting or anything. Battery life got short with time (but I never cared about it). > Wifi had a range of maybe ten feet (not joking). Purism is using the only existing WiFi card that works with free firmware. It is less performant than typical proprietary ones. If you don't care about your freedom strongly, you can replace the card (they are very cheap on ebay). Also, check Purism forums for such questions. It works better than "ten feet" for me. > On the other hand, Pine64 is very focused on their hardware stack. And the software is provided by Purism (Phosh, for most Pinephone users). Pinephone is great, I'm using it, too. But Librem 5 is much more performant. Many videos show it's working fine, except of the non-finished software (same as for Pinephone).
    - ipodopt 5y ago
      > Purism is using the only existing WiFi card that works with free firmware. It is less performant than typical proprietary ones. If you don't care about your freedom strongly, you can replace the card (they are very cheap on ebay). Also, check Purism forums for such questions. It works better than "ten feet" for me. Not the wifi card, the surround material like the chassis are attenuating the signal (the librem 14 should have fixed this issue). I swapped mine out for a well supported and performant Intel card and only got marginal improvements to the signal. My "ten feet" was using it at coffee shops. I was traveling with the laptop. It was hard. The card switch did get it over the hump for this use case. Not an issue most of the time but still will have get a spot closer the router for video calls (like standup). So the constraints for work were getting a seat close the router AND a power plug. I ended up USB tethering with my phone alot. I do appreciate their contributions to the ecosystem but was wronged as a consumer. They need to be truthful. I take it you have the v3 with the standard boot drive?
      - fsflover 5y ago
        > I take it you have the v3 with the standard boot drive? Yes, v3. What do you mean by "standard boot drive"? Using SSD if that's what you mean.
sneak 5y ago
The dell and lenovo laptops are nowhere the quality of the apple machines, sadly. I have a maxed out xps and it is a downgrade in all respects but privacy. :/
- ipodopt 5y ago
  Nothing quite like apple. The step down is short enough not to stumble though :)
- SirensOfTitan 5y ago
  Yeah, I figured. When waiting for lsp autocompletes in emacs, my entry level M1 MacBook with no gccjit is orders of magnitudes faster than my almost maxed out Lenovo with emacs and GCCjit. The difference is so stark that I cannot bear to autocomplete on type on the Lenovo machine, it lags too much and frequently locks up.
  - zekica 5y ago
    My thinkbook g2 14 are is almost the same speed as m1 macbook and runs linux without any issue. It has "only" 9 hours of battery in my usecase, but that's completely fine by me.
- notsureaboutpg 5y ago
  Not true at all. My Lenovo T440s from 7 years ago is still running strong and handling everything I throw at it. It doesn't do graphics well, but you don't own a Mac if you're into gaming and things like that. It has insane battery life, it lasts multiple days of coding, compilation, system upgrades, etc. on one charge. Plus you can always replace / upgrade the battery / RAM / drive / etc. so you can always continue improving the performance if you want. Meanwhile the Apple laptop I got from work with an astounding 32 GB of RAM has the fans whirring all the time from just running a Google Meet in Chrome, and you can't even use it in "clamshell" mode because it has so many weird bugs, so I have to keep the screen slightly propped open while it's connected to my monitors. T440s handles don't-suspend-on-lid-off perfectly. Macbook won't even allow you to do this if you're running on battery, you have to be plugged in.
- 5y ago
sdoering 5y ago
Laptop: Dell XPS 13 and very happy. Maxed out specs and clearly higher price range. Or: Lenovo Yoga Convertible. My second device. I just don't do games. Or bigger data stuff on this machine. Some design work. Some photo and smaller video stuff. I love the flexibility of the convertible when working with PDF and doing annotations by hand.
- Rd6n6 5y ago
  The battery on my xps seems to be swelling and messing up the trackpad. Apparently it’s a pretty common issue Edit: seems to be the precision line too > The same problem is happening with the Precision 1510 line with the same batteries. I purchased 10 of these laptops for my department around the same time you did. We've had four of these failures so far in three laptops. reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/6bzhtw/dell_xps_15_9550_battery_swelling_causing/
  - sdoering 5y ago
    Good to know. Will watch for it. Currently not an issue.
GordonS 5y ago
I hadn't come across that Omnia router before - it looks great! Bit of a shame it doesn't support 802.11ax, and it is more expensive than I'd like, but still...
- ipodopt 5y ago
  Might be a good idea to wait. It's coming soonish I think: - https://github.com/openwrt/luci/pull/4994 https://github.com/openwrt/luci/pull/4994 - https://forum.turris.cz/t/wifi-6-ax-adapter/10390/77 https://forum.turris.cz/t/wifi-6-ax-adapter/10390/77 I think the router might be my favorite open hardware piece: - It was easier to setup then my old Asus router - Schematics and source are easy to access. - It has never not worked. - It is made by a company that is a domain registrar with a good track record on open source projects (click the more button it the top right and you might recognize a few projects): https://www.nic.cz/ https://www.nic.cz/ - And if you need to do something advance with it, you can. Mine is has Bird runing BGP.
  - BostonEnginerd 5y ago
    The Omnia was quite expensive, but I've gotten frequent updates for the last four years. It's a nice mix of hackable and "just works". I've turned off the WiFi at this point, and just use it as a router now. The UniFi access point that I installed provides better coverage in my house since it's easier to place in a central location. Overall, I'd rate it as a good value.
thefourthchime 5y ago
I'm sympathetic to remove Apple and Google from my life, but this list looks so sad. You know the experience, integration and headache of all this is going to be horrible.
- arsome 5y ago
  Depends what you're looking to do - if you really value your privacy, yes, you're going to have to give up some convenience, but I can assure you, it's really not that bad if you put in a little work on an occasional basis, it's not the constant maintenance nightmare that some people seem to expect. I fired up Syncthing on my phone and NAS and restic to perform encrypted backups nightly to B2, sure, you're not going to get some magical cloud image recognition stuff, but do you really need or even want it? Everything can integrate quite nicely, but plan to do the connecting work yourself as a one-off with some occasional maintenance a few times a year.
  - fellellor 5y ago
    I used to think that privacy arguments are ok in principle but we aren’t really loosing much by sharing some personal data with Apple or Google’s algorithms. In return we got so much convenience, software and products that worked well with each other and even shopping recommendations that were great. But with this move, they have just crossed a huge threshold. Now it’s clear that we are hurtling into a truly dystopian future where our personal thoughts and experiences are simply not our own. America at least seems to be heading towards some form of corporate fascism that may not be dominated by an individual or a group, but will eventually lead to social ossification and societal decay by outlawing dissent. To introduce this tech under the disguise of fighting child abuse is just amazing. This will eventually lead to identification of individuals who for example may hold sympathetic views for political views that are currently out of favour. At some point you have to swallow the inconveniences outside the garden and recognise what this is leading to.
- ipodopt 5y ago
  If you had the option of buying this hardware stack through an integrated third-party brand/storefront that offered support for the products and their integration would that make you feel differently?
Rd6n6 5y ago
This has the potential to be a great laptop, if execution is good: https://frame.work/ https://frame.work/
jtsuken 5y ago
I think it's about time to say: "Thank you, Apple!" Finally these awesome projects will get the funding and the support they deserve. Also, has anyone tried the FXtec phones? https://www.fxtec.com https://www.fxtec.com I am thinking about getting the FXtec pro1 version, which promises to get a decent UbuntuTouch support as well as lineageOS. I feel that with the comeback of Vim, there might be a sufficient user base for devices that use the keyboard for most tasks. I miss the days, when I could send a text message without taking the phone out of my pocket. Edit: Just found a relevant HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26659150 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26659150
mixmastamyk 5y ago
I just ordered the pinephone! Looking forward to trying it, hope it can keep up with most things I use my 6S for. Guess, I'll dig out the old digital camera again, since that is a weak point for the pinephone. :-D
lenkite 5y ago
Is there a Linux Laptop at 2560 x 1600 resolution like Macbooks ? System 76 still runs at 1920x1080. It really makes a difference wrt crisp font rendering and less eye strain.
- plaguehammer 5y ago
  Most of them I believe should allow you to get HiDPI (aka Retina) displays. I've been looking at replacing my now 9y-old Macbook Pro (primarily running Manjaro Gnome as my daily driver) with a dedicated Linux laptop, and I've narrowed my selection down to the Lenovo ThinkPad P series or the Framework laptop. For the ThinkPad's, the 4k display (3840 x 2160) is recommended I believe (over the WQHD ones). The Framework laptop comes with a standard 2256 x 1504 display. - https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-p/c/thinkpadp#compareSection https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-p/c/t... - https://frame.work/products/laptop https://frame.work/products/laptop

fsflover 5y ago

Another phone: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 Laptop: https://puri.sm/products/librem-14 https://puri.sm/products/librem-14

ipodopt 5y ago
I have their laptop and do not recommend them. Honestly, I sort of regret the purchase. - They lie about specifications like battery life (and other things). I get about 1 hour on my ~5 hour battery life when web browsing. - My laptop had a race condition at boot that would prevent boot 50% of the time. There was a workaround. - Wifi had a range of maybe ten feet (not joking). I am sure there new laptop is better however I do not really trust them after my interactions. Especially for something more novel like a linux phone. On the other hand, Pine64 is very focused on their hardware stack. All their products are running a very similar hardware unlike Purism. They are moving way more product then Purism and are better liked. Hence they have a stronger community. They are also much cheaper phone-wise for a similar feature set. And you can actually buy and receive the phone. In terms of alternatives I think System76 is pretty good desktop wise right now. Laptop are alright. Waiting for their upcoming in-house laptop.
- fsflover 5y ago
  This is quite interesting. I'm writing this on their Librem 15 and can't recommend it enough. No problems with booting or anything. Battery life got short with time (but I never cared about it). > Wifi had a range of maybe ten feet (not joking). Purism is using the only existing WiFi card that works with free firmware. It is less performant than typical proprietary ones. If you don't care about your freedom strongly, you can replace the card (they are very cheap on ebay). Also, check Purism forums for such questions. It works better than "ten feet" for me. > On the other hand, Pine64 is very focused on their hardware stack. And the software is provided by Purism (Phosh, for most Pinephone users). Pinephone is great, I'm using it, too. But Librem 5 is much more performant. Many videos show it's working fine, except of the non-finished software (same as for Pinephone).
  - ipodopt 5y ago
    > Purism is using the only existing WiFi card that works with free firmware. It is less performant than typical proprietary ones. If you don't care about your freedom strongly, you can replace the card (they are very cheap on ebay). Also, check Purism forums for such questions. It works better than "ten feet" for me. Not the wifi card, the surround material like the chassis are attenuating the signal (the librem 14 should have fixed this issue). I swapped mine out for a well supported and performant Intel card and only got marginal improvements to the signal. My "ten feet" was using it at coffee shops. I was traveling with the laptop. It was hard. The card switch did get it over the hump for this use case. Not an issue most of the time but still will have get a spot closer the router for video calls (like standup). So the constraints for work were getting a seat close the router AND a power plug. I ended up USB tethering with my phone alot. I do appreciate their contributions to the ecosystem but was wronged as a consumer. They need to be truthful. I take it you have the v3 with the standard boot drive?
    - fsflover 5y ago
      > I take it you have the v3 with the standard boot drive? Yes, v3. What do you mean by "standard boot drive"? Using SSD if that's what you mean.

sneak 5y ago

The dell and lenovo laptops are nowhere the quality of the apple machines, sadly. I have a maxed out xps and it is a downgrade in all respects but privacy. :/

ipodopt 5y ago
Nothing quite like apple. The step down is short enough not to stumble though :)
SirensOfTitan 5y ago
Yeah, I figured. When waiting for lsp autocompletes in emacs, my entry level M1 MacBook with no gccjit is orders of magnitudes faster than my almost maxed out Lenovo with emacs and GCCjit. The difference is so stark that I cannot bear to autocomplete on type on the Lenovo machine, it lags too much and frequently locks up.
- zekica 5y ago
  My thinkbook g2 14 are is almost the same speed as m1 macbook and runs linux without any issue. It has "only" 9 hours of battery in my usecase, but that's completely fine by me.
notsureaboutpg 5y ago
Not true at all. My Lenovo T440s from 7 years ago is still running strong and handling everything I throw at it. It doesn't do graphics well, but you don't own a Mac if you're into gaming and things like that. It has insane battery life, it lasts multiple days of coding, compilation, system upgrades, etc. on one charge. Plus you can always replace / upgrade the battery / RAM / drive / etc. so you can always continue improving the performance if you want. Meanwhile the Apple laptop I got from work with an astounding 32 GB of RAM has the fans whirring all the time from just running a Google Meet in Chrome, and you can't even use it in "clamshell" mode because it has so many weird bugs, so I have to keep the screen slightly propped open while it's connected to my monitors. T440s handles don't-suspend-on-lid-off perfectly. Macbook won't even allow you to do this if you're running on battery, you have to be plugged in.
5y ago

sdoering 5y ago

Laptop: Dell XPS 13 and very happy. Maxed out specs and clearly higher price range. Or: Lenovo Yoga Convertible. My second device. I just don't do games. Or bigger data stuff on this machine. Some design work. Some photo and smaller video stuff. I love the flexibility of the convertible when working with PDF and doing annotations by hand.

Rd6n6 5y ago
The battery on my xps seems to be swelling and messing up the trackpad. Apparently it’s a pretty common issue Edit: seems to be the precision line too > The same problem is happening with the Precision 1510 line with the same batteries. I purchased 10 of these laptops for my department around the same time you did. We've had four of these failures so far in three laptops. reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/6bzhtw/dell_xps_15_9550_battery_swelling_causing/
- sdoering 5y ago
  Good to know. Will watch for it. Currently not an issue.

GordonS 5y ago

I hadn't come across that Omnia router before - it looks great! Bit of a shame it doesn't support 802.11ax, and it is more expensive than I'd like, but still...

ipodopt 5y ago
Might be a good idea to wait. It's coming soonish I think: - https://github.com/openwrt/luci/pull/4994 https://github.com/openwrt/luci/pull/4994 - https://forum.turris.cz/t/wifi-6-ax-adapter/10390/77 https://forum.turris.cz/t/wifi-6-ax-adapter/10390/77 I think the router might be my favorite open hardware piece: - It was easier to setup then my old Asus router - Schematics and source are easy to access. - It has never not worked. - It is made by a company that is a domain registrar with a good track record on open source projects (click the more button it the top right and you might recognize a few projects): https://www.nic.cz/ https://www.nic.cz/ - And if you need to do something advance with it, you can. Mine is has Bird runing BGP.
- BostonEnginerd 5y ago
  The Omnia was quite expensive, but I've gotten frequent updates for the last four years. It's a nice mix of hackable and "just works". I've turned off the WiFi at this point, and just use it as a router now. The UniFi access point that I installed provides better coverage in my house since it's easier to place in a central location. Overall, I'd rate it as a good value.

thefourthchime 5y ago

I'm sympathetic to remove Apple and Google from my life, but this list looks so sad. You know the experience, integration and headache of all this is going to be horrible.

arsome 5y ago
Depends what you're looking to do - if you really value your privacy, yes, you're going to have to give up some convenience, but I can assure you, it's really not that bad if you put in a little work on an occasional basis, it's not the constant maintenance nightmare that some people seem to expect. I fired up Syncthing on my phone and NAS and restic to perform encrypted backups nightly to B2, sure, you're not going to get some magical cloud image recognition stuff, but do you really need or even want it? Everything can integrate quite nicely, but plan to do the connecting work yourself as a one-off with some occasional maintenance a few times a year.
- fellellor 5y ago
  I used to think that privacy arguments are ok in principle but we aren’t really loosing much by sharing some personal data with Apple or Google’s algorithms. In return we got so much convenience, software and products that worked well with each other and even shopping recommendations that were great. But with this move, they have just crossed a huge threshold. Now it’s clear that we are hurtling into a truly dystopian future where our personal thoughts and experiences are simply not our own. America at least seems to be heading towards some form of corporate fascism that may not be dominated by an individual or a group, but will eventually lead to social ossification and societal decay by outlawing dissent. To introduce this tech under the disguise of fighting child abuse is just amazing. This will eventually lead to identification of individuals who for example may hold sympathetic views for political views that are currently out of favour. At some point you have to swallow the inconveniences outside the garden and recognise what this is leading to.
ipodopt 5y ago
If you had the option of buying this hardware stack through an integrated third-party brand/storefront that offered support for the products and their integration would that make you feel differently?

Rd6n6 5y ago

This has the potential to be a great laptop, if execution is good: https://frame.work/ https://frame.work/

jtsuken 5y ago

I think it's about time to say: "Thank you, Apple!" Finally these awesome projects will get the funding and the support they deserve. Also, has anyone tried the FXtec phones? https://www.fxtec.com https://www.fxtec.com I am thinking about getting the FXtec pro1 version, which promises to get a decent UbuntuTouch support as well as lineageOS. I feel that with the comeback of Vim, there might be a sufficient user base for devices that use the keyboard for most tasks. I miss the days, when I could send a text message without taking the phone out of my pocket. Edit: Just found a relevant HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26659150 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26659150

mixmastamyk 5y ago

I just ordered the pinephone! Looking forward to trying it, hope it can keep up with most things I use my 6S for. Guess, I'll dig out the old digital camera again, since that is a weak point for the pinephone. :-D

lenkite 5y ago

Is there a Linux Laptop at 2560 x 1600 resolution like Macbooks ? System 76 still runs at 1920x1080. It really makes a difference wrt crisp font rendering and less eye strain.

plaguehammer 5y ago
Most of them I believe should allow you to get HiDPI (aka Retina) displays. I've been looking at replacing my now 9y-old Macbook Pro (primarily running Manjaro Gnome as my daily driver) with a dedicated Linux laptop, and I've narrowed my selection down to the Lenovo ThinkPad P series or the Framework laptop. For the ThinkPad's, the 4k display (3840 x 2160) is recommended I believe (over the WQHD ones). The Framework laptop comes with a standard 2256 x 1504 display. - https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-p/c/thinkpadp#compareSection https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-p/c/t... - https://frame.work/products/laptop https://frame.work/products/laptop