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Yes. People have been convicted for possession of hand-drawn and computer-generated images. Editing a child's image to make it pornographic is also illegal.

Yes. People have been convicted for possession of hand-drawn and computer-generated images. Editing a child's image to make it pornographic is also illegal. So some "deepfake" videos using faces from young celebs are in all likelihood very illegal in many jurisdictions. Images can be illegal if all people are of age, but are portrayed as underage. Many historical dramas take legal advice about this when they have adult actors portraying people who historically married while underage by modern standards. (Ie the rape scene in BBC's The White Princess series.) This is why American porn companies shy away from cheerleader outfits, or any other suggestion of highschools.

toxik 5y ago
This topic is really fascinating to me, how we deal with images of bad things. Clearly, murder and assault is fine to reproduce at 100% realism - but even plain consensual sex is forbidden in the US for a wider audience. This reminds me of a classic Swedish movie I watched, I forget its name, it's made in the 70s and contains upskirt panty shots of an actress who is playing a 14-year-old, along with her exploring sexuality with a same-age male peer. I think the actual actress was around 14 years old too. It made me feel real uneasy, maybe because my parents in law were around, but also because I thought "wait, this must be illegal to watch". In the end, the movie was really just a coming-of-age story from a time when we were more relaxed about these things.
- teddyh 5y ago
  The name can probably be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Swedish_films_of_the_1970s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Swedish_films_of_the_1...
dannyw 5y ago
Not sure where you get your advice from. Supreme court has ruled loli as legal. You can find it on 4chan in about 30 seconds.
- stevenicr 5y ago
  "Supreme court has ruled loli as legal." - proof of this? Had not heard that change. the US arrested some diplomat like guy some years ago for having sexualized bathing suit models underage on a device. all non nude I believe. I think most of what gp saying is mostly true - some places cartoons can be / have been prosecuted. Just cuz its on 4chan every day - doesn't mean it's legal - I thought 4chan deletes it all with in 24 hours (?) - so that if they got a warrant to do something about it, it would already be gone before the warrant printed much less signed and served. However charges are going to vary by jurisdiction - I don't think many prosecutors are trying to get cartoon porn convictions as a top priority these days, but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen. I don't think gp is accurate in saying that american porn avoids cheer and high for these reasons. the market forces have changed many times over the past so many years and depending on which porn portals one might peruse they will see more or less of cheer and such. With some portals the whole incest titling is used for clickbait - it just depends on the portal, and much of what is not seen on portals is not there because of dmca / non-rights.. not because things aren't being produced and made available elsewhere.
birdyrooster 5y ago
Maybe in Saudi Arabia? That’s not the case in the US.
bambax 5y ago
> People have been convicted for possession of hand-drawn and computer-generated images. If that's indeed the law in some countries, it is a stupid law that nobody should help enforce. In Shakespeare's take on the story of Romeo and Juliet, Juliet is thirteen. So this play should probably be illegal in the countries that have such laws.
chokeartist 5y ago
> This is why American porn companies shy away from cheerleader outfits, or any other suggestion of highschools. Lol I'm not sure if this is the case anymore? I've seen tons of "high-school-ish" professional produced porn completely with cheerleading outfits.
diebeforei485 5y ago
And companies are terrified of any sort of liability here, which can lead to over-broad policies. On reddit, you can't link to written content like stories or fanfiction (words only, without any image files) if any character in your fictional story is under 18 and does anything sexual in the story.

toxik 5y ago

This topic is really fascinating to me, how we deal with images of bad things. Clearly, murder and assault is fine to reproduce at 100% realism - but even plain consensual sex is forbidden in the US for a wider audience. This reminds me of a classic Swedish movie I watched, I forget its name, it's made in the 70s and contains upskirt panty shots of an actress who is playing a 14-year-old, along with her exploring sexuality with a same-age male peer. I think the actual actress was around 14 years old too. It made me feel real uneasy, maybe because my parents in law were around, but also because I thought "wait, this must be illegal to watch". In the end, the movie was really just a coming-of-age story from a time when we were more relaxed about these things.

teddyh 5y ago
The name can probably be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Swedish_films_of_the_1970s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Swedish_films_of_the_1...

dannyw 5y ago

Not sure where you get your advice from. Supreme court has ruled loli as legal. You can find it on 4chan in about 30 seconds.

stevenicr 5y ago
"Supreme court has ruled loli as legal." - proof of this? Had not heard that change. the US arrested some diplomat like guy some years ago for having sexualized bathing suit models underage on a device. all non nude I believe. I think most of what gp saying is mostly true - some places cartoons can be / have been prosecuted. Just cuz its on 4chan every day - doesn't mean it's legal - I thought 4chan deletes it all with in 24 hours (?) - so that if they got a warrant to do something about it, it would already be gone before the warrant printed much less signed and served. However charges are going to vary by jurisdiction - I don't think many prosecutors are trying to get cartoon porn convictions as a top priority these days, but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen. I don't think gp is accurate in saying that american porn avoids cheer and high for these reasons. the market forces have changed many times over the past so many years and depending on which porn portals one might peruse they will see more or less of cheer and such. With some portals the whole incest titling is used for clickbait - it just depends on the portal, and much of what is not seen on portals is not there because of dmca / non-rights.. not because things aren't being produced and made available elsewhere.

birdyrooster 5y ago

Maybe in Saudi Arabia? That’s not the case in the US.

bambax 5y ago

> People have been convicted for possession of hand-drawn and computer-generated images. If that's indeed the law in some countries, it is a stupid law that nobody should help enforce. In Shakespeare's take on the story of Romeo and Juliet, Juliet is thirteen. So this play should probably be illegal in the countries that have such laws.

chokeartist 5y ago

> This is why American porn companies shy away from cheerleader outfits, or any other suggestion of highschools. Lol I'm not sure if this is the case anymore? I've seen tons of "high-school-ish" professional produced porn completely with cheerleading outfits.

diebeforei485 5y ago

And companies are terrified of any sort of liability here, which can lead to over-broad policies. On reddit, you can't link to written content like stories or fanfiction (words only, without any image files) if any character in your fictional story is under 18 and does anything sexual in the story.