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New Laptop: Thinkpad P14s
- liokoch 5y agoI have used a Thinkpad as my laptop, and I would say that it is worth the buy. It is relatively better compared to other laptops in that similar price range.
- f32jhnjk33jj 5y agoHow did you buy it if the website shows a message that it is not available yet?
- domenkozar 5y agohttps://ok2.de/ThinkPad/P14s-14/ThinkPad-P14s-AMD-Gen-2-21A00004GE::2294.html https://ok2.de/ThinkPad/P14s-14/ThinkPad-P14s-AMD-Gen-2-21A0...
- f32jhnjk33jj 5y agoOK, I saw this page https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/coming-soon/P14s-AMD-G2/p/22WSP144SA2 https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/coming-soon/P14s-AMD-G2/p/22WSP... and I thought, it is not possible to buy it yet.
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- zaik 5y agoWhere did you buy it and for what price? For me it just says 'coming soon' on the official homepage.
- art0rz 5y agoI own one of these. Upgraded from my Surface Book 2. No complaints so far, except that the Fn key is where the Ctrl key should be and I keep pressing the Fn key :)
- lloydatkinson 5y agoYou can change it in the UEFI so that Fn acts as Ctrl and vice versa.
- peakaboo 5y ago> You can change it in the UEFI so that Fn acts as Ctrl and vice versa. First thing I do on every thinkpad. It would be very interesting to know what percentage of customers actually wants that Fn key in that location instead of Ctrl.
- abdullahkhalids 5y agoMy T470 has the Fn on the edge, and Ctrl on the inside. I like it because it requires moving my pinky less to hit Ctrl.
- doubled112 5y agoMy problem isn't Fn and Ctrl, but that Shift may or may not be the same shape. If Ctrl is on the outside I am guaranteed to hit Shift when I push them both with my pinky straight up. I have two Lenovo laptops in front of me right now. The key straight up from Fn on the Ideapad 3 is a pipe. On the Thinkpad the shift key is the correct length (two keys wide). The two have opposite Fn and Ctrl keys. Consistency, am I right? Muscle memory is a thing, and even the same manufacturer isn't doing things the same way between models.
- ahefner 5y agoI don't know the percentage, but some do prefer it, and I'm among them. I'm surprised so many people express any preference, though. My take is that the Fn key is an abomination and it's not present on desktop keyboards so either choice of location is wrong. If I could, I'd remove both Fn and the 'Windows' key. Neither my Chromebook nor the T40-series Thinkpads I first used have these keys, and they are noticeably more comfortable due to the larger Control and Alt keys it permits. I'm also surprised people complain about this but not about the layout of Apple laptop keyboards, where 'fn' is also in the corner.
- amboo7 5y agoA few months ago, I bought a nicely packed and customized P14s Gen 1 in France (Qwerty !) with 16GB and 400 nits for under 1000 euro.
- namanyayg 5y agoWow that's a great deal. Via some discount coupons or was it second hand?
- amboo7 5y agoAs it was for my daughter, there was a 10% student discount but there were other discounts, too.
- sixothree 5y agoWhen I got my T450s some years ago, I just put a call out on the thinkpad subreddit asking for coupons. A lenovo rep sent me a coupon that made the purchase worth it.
- MonaroVXR 5y agoYou can do the following: TicketsatWork: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/ticketsatwork/pc https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/ticketsatwork/pc (Passcode: TICKETSatWK)
- kawsper 5y agoDoes such a thing exist for the EU?
- MonaroVXR 5y agoUnfortunately not, maybe through student discounts. Lenovo Discounts Use the links below to get a good discount on Lenovo systems. Germany (Students only, I never tested if it worked for other countries. but... it ships all over EU) ok1: https://ok1.de/ThinkPads:::6.html?MODsid=ea0ejr7mhrhhmjc47kkln8mi82 https://ok1.de/ThinkPads:::6.html?MODsid=ea0ejr7mhrhhmjc47kk... LapStars: https://www.lapstars.de/thinkpad-campus.html https://www.lapstars.de/thinkpad-campus.html (offers multiple keyboard language choices) notebooksbilliger: https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/studentenprogramm/lenovo+campus https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/studentenprogramm/lenovo+ca...
- xd1936 5y agoI have a P14s with a 4750U and it flies through Pop!_OS. Wouldn't hesitate to recommend to anybody.
- thinkmassive 5y agoI've been using the same (P14s w/4750U) with Ubuntu for 4 months with great results. I also have a mini-server with the 4750G, and I'm very happy with these Ryzen APUs so far! Early on I was using ubuntu LTS and had some issues resuming the P14s after suspend, but now everything works great using the 5.11 kernel (included w/ubuntu 21.04)
- 1MachineElf 5y agoMagnificent ThinkPad model. Too bad the soldered-on RAM precludes the possibility of using ECC modules. The Pro version of the Ryzen CPU means ECC compatibility.
- trylfthsk 5y agoafik not a single ryzen laptop uses ECC from the factory and documentation on compatibility is pretty horrible; this is the only thing stopping me from making the leap.
- devwastaken 5y agoSupposedly someday we're meant to have DDR5 with ECC built in. I've been waiting for that day as well.
- post_break 5y agoI want to love thinkpads, but the fact that in 2021 you still have a display lottery frustrates me to no end. You buy a MacBook Pro you get an A+ display. Thinkpad? You might get one with the good display, you might not.
- MonaroVXR 5y agoYes, display lottery is still true.
- gzu 5y agoIt's very easy to replace the displays on these business line thinkpads.
- post_break 5y agoI shouldn’t have to replace the display on a new computer. Especially when the part numbers are all the same. I’ve swapped the display in my x230 to get away from a ghosting panel just to get another panel that is supposedly ghost free, but still ghosts.
- nmiquan 5y agoYes, Thinkpad's FHD is horrible. So I put a QHD display on my T480s, and my eyes love 'em. The last Mac I used was Mac Air Retina 2012, switched just because of the matte screen.
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- jron 5y agoAre the trackpads anywhere close to macbooks yet? My XPS 13 is still awful and my previous thinkpad is worse than the XPS.
- iampivot 5y agoThere will be haptic trackpads out this year. This one doesn't have it.
- exoque 5y agoThat's the thing which keeps me from buying a new notebook. :( Everything else I care about is on par with intel macbooks but the touchpad is too important.
- thinkmassive 5y agoTrackpoint works well! (it's the "fingertip joystick" in the middle of the keyboard)
- curt15 5y agoMy XPS 13's trackpad works quite well Fedora 34 Gnome. Firefox supports smooth scrolling and pinch-to-zoom like in Windows or Mac OS, and Gnome Shell has built-in trackpad gestures for switching workspaces and showing all open windows.
- f32jhnjk33jj 5y agoGood laptop, but with a few small drawbacks: - No vapor chamber cooling, just regular heat pipes - Monitor has thick borders - Not 16:10 - Fn/Ctrl are swapped (all thinkpad laptops) - Thinkpad's fingerprint readers never worked reliably to me - I personally prefer USB-C network adapter instead of the bulky RJ45 - 720p camera, but most of laptops have a bad web cam... - I assume it will have very average speakers. Usually Lenovo puts a "DOLBY SOUND" label on laptops with improved sound quality.
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- alserio 5y agoFn/Ctrl can be swapped in BIOS
- rkangel 5y agoYes, I do this with all work issued laptops.
- f32jhnjk33jj 5y agoBut if someone need to type on your keyboard, then they will have problems and this workaround only works with Laptops. You cannot swap keys on a standalone Lenovo keyboard.
- rkangel 5y agoAh, I don't think I've ever used a standalone Lenovo keyboard. At least that could be swapped out. Yes the laptop keyboard swap is a little confusing for the first 10 seconds until you explain.
- touisteur 5y agoStickers is what I ordered and put on all those keyboards. Why lenovo, why?
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- nigggle 5y agoI bought this exact model the other day, two days later it was cancelled and a refund was issued as they no longer had the 4K panel in stock. Looks like I'm going to miss out on these AMD CPUs this generation and have to go with an XPS 13 instead.
- vbernat 5y agoI am trying to order one. If I unselect Windows, I loose the 4K panel. If I go from 24G to 16G, I loose the 4K panel. If I go from 24G to 32G, I lose the 4K panel. And of course, delays are always 6+ weeks (which is Lenovo lingo to say "forever").
- nigggle 5y agoDon't trust it if it says the 4k panel is available. I found the one combo which only had it as they had forgot to remove it as an option.
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- yabones 5y agoI tried to order the P14s with the AMD 8 core for a new hire at work recently, but unfortunately had to cancel the order after they told me there would be 4+ months of shipping delays. It's too bad the supply chains are still struggling to keep up. We ended up getting an E15 instead, since it could arrive within 2 weeks, but it's about 1/2 the specs we wanted.
- isodude 5y agoWe waited about 2-3 months for delivery. Sadly there is no real alternative.
- gsibble 5y agoI'm on my 3rd Thinkpad (P52, P1 Gen 2, P17) and had a Dell 17" XPS 9700 in the mix. The Dell was horrible. It's intake vents were on the bottom so if you put it on a soft surface like a couch or bed, it would immediately overheat to the point of turning off within 5 minutes. I tried everything. Never got the webcam or speakers to work in Linux. Keyboard sucked. But every Lenovo I use is fantastic. I like the rugged look and bulkiness. I don't buy my laptop to look cool; I buy it to code, run vms, compile fast, and get work done. Lenovos have excellent Linux compatibility and the best keyboards anyways.
- kentiko 5y agoI have the same laptop with the 4K IPS display and the AMD 5850U, and I am pretty happy with it. On Ubuntu I had to install the Wi-Fi driver manually [0], tweak the grub config to make the screen brightness control work [1], and install gnome-screensaver to make suspend/resume work properly. Maybe things would work better out of the box on Pop!_OS? Otherwise, it's pretty good. It does not heat up much compared to the previous Intel laptop I had, and it is plenty fast. I was not able to make Howdy [2] work properly, and the fingerprint reader was not reliable compared to my MacBook, however. [0]: https://github.com/lwfinger/rtw89 https://github.com/lwfinger/rtw89 [1]: Add this to the grub file : GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="amdgpu.backlight=0" [2]: https://github.com/boltgolt/howdy https://github.com/boltgolt/howdy
- caioariede 5y agoThe wifi issue was pretty much what made me give up on the Thinkpad and go back to the Macbook, where I can set up my work environment pretty quickly and not have to deal with other random issues…
- ansible 5y agoI was in the mood to get a "mobile workstation", and ended up buying an HP Omen gaming laptop, which had an i7, 16GB of RAM, and discrete GPU. The idea was to be able to run one or more VMs and do hardcore development. And maybe play a few strategy games. In the intervening years, I have hardly used the laptop for the purposes I had initially intended, though I do occasionally play strategy games on it. I've mostly been using an inexpensive Chromebook as a remote Linux terminal, and then logging into remote machines to do development. With a little GNU screen startup script, it is easy to resume where I left off, regardless of my location.
- spenczar5 5y agoThat setup sounds really appealing! How does the startup script work? Does it install software, and does it require root access on the dev machine? Do you have multiple remote machines, or just one you use often?
- ansible 5y agoIt doesn't do any of that stuff, it is just for starting screen without having to type some options: https://gist.github.com/jamesgraves/c5a09ba209729a491600372f216035e9 https://gist.github.com/jamesgraves/c5a09ba209729a491600372f... I have a couple different machines I use on a regular basis. The main thing is that I don't care if an existing GNU screen session named 'database' exists or not. If I was doing database work, that's the session name I will use. So I want to connect to that if it exists. Or if the machine has been rebooted, create a new session. I really like having the terminal windows also reflect what I'm working on in a particular session.
- guenthert 5y agoI like the idea of using a web terminal to work on a remote, much more capable host. I found however Chromebooks (only tried the old Samsung ARM abased one and the original Pixel) lacking for this purpose. The Samsung ARM was clearly made for a price-point and while a good value at the the time, not worth further discussion today. But even on the (then) flagship Chromebook, the keyboard is just so-so (and lacks page up/down keys!), doesn't offer Ethernet and the screen is terribly reflective and a wee bit small (nice aspect ratio though). Not sure how current Chromebooks fare, but colour me skeptical.
- bullfightonmars 5y ago> There's only one company in Slovenia that does warranty repairs and takes the law-specified 40 working days to finish their job (replacing a battery, for example). Is there a law that says that repairs must be done within 40 working days and so the repair shop takes the full 40 days? Is this because they have no competition or are supply/resource constrained?
- domenkozar 5y agoThat's the maximum and for some reason they always take that long. For no competition I'm not sure, but that would help.
- distances 5y agoDuh, I didn't notice you can configure ThinkPads, might have gone that route if I knew. I ordered Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 Pro that is sadly limited to 16GB, but otherwise seems to be a huge success. High-res 90Hz 16:10 display, 5800H, good Linux support out of the box. I just hope the memory won't become a constraint. At least it was considerably cheaper than ThinkPads at 960€.
- pdimitar 5y agoI considered this one but IMO not having dual-channel memory on such a super strong CPU is crippling it. :( Plus yeah, 16GB is too small. If it wasn't for that, it is IMO the perfect programmer laptop.
- distances 5y agoIt is dual-channel according to specs. I'm not worried about performance at all, it's been very good in intial reviews. 16GB may be enough for me for the time being, just not very future proof. Maybe I'll get to update to the Framework laptop when the memory runs low.
- distances 5y agoGot my device. It's super. A warning if any Linux user considers this though: Lenovo specs said Intel WiFi, but it came with Realtek 8852AE, and drivers for this aren't included yet in current kernels. It was straightforward to get it working with https://github.com/lwfinger/rtw89 https://github.com/lwfinger/rtw89 (latest KDE Neon), but for the time being that will then have to be done after all kernel udpates.
- madushan1000 5y agoNo key replacement service, but lenovo will actually sell a replacement keyboard for you[0]. And they have videos on their website on how to replace the parts. [0]: https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/partsorder https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/partsorder
- I_am_tiberius 5y agoI bought a T14s at the beginning of the year after 5 year of XPS 13 9350. I'm happy with the T14s but from a design perspective (eg bezel wise), it's a step back- especially considering the 5 years in between.
- orangegreen 5y agoI've bought numerous Thinkpads and I still can't find myself using them daily because of the awful trackpads. It's not even the tracking, it's the amount of force you need to put on the trackpad to get it to register a click. Also the lack of media keys on Thinkpads is outdated and annoying. If Lenovo fixes these two things I'd gladly use a Thinkpad as my daily laptop.
- tomjen3 5y agoThat is because people who like Thinkpads tend to use the nipple instead.
- gazby 5y agoMeanwhile Dell just removed the media keys and replaced them with more calc related keys on the most recent precision lineup. Also moved end and home into the F row. I mean WTF.
- touisteur 5y agoFirst thing I do on a lenovo thinkpad is disable the trackpad, trackpoint FTW.
- ahendriksen 5y agoIf you read this blog post and think "Nice! I will buy the same Thinkpad and use Linux", then be aware that the previous generation P14s has serious issues with power drain in standby[0]. These issues have been not been resolved since September 2020. In large parts of Europe, the second generation P14s is not yet available. So buyer beware! [0] https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Other-Linux-Discussions/T14-AMD-battery-drain-in-standby-Linux/m-p/5037674?page=1 https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Other-Linux-Discussions/T14-AMD...
- danieldk 5y agoI had the same issue with the ThinkPad T14 AMD. Left it in my backpack for two days and the battery was completely drained. What made it worse: Lenovo's own USB-C Gen 2 Dock would refuse to charge the battery when it was drained. I had to borrow a friend's MacBook Pro USB-C charger to get the battery up to a reasonable charge. (Yes, the dock does provide enough power for charging the laptop.)
- rkwasny 5y agoTBH my Macbook Pro does the same, really annoying when going on holidays and not using a laptop for few days.
- danieldk 5y agoThat seems like an issue with your MacBook Pro? I have used MacBooks since 2007 and I never noticed such issues (unless there is a process blocking sleep). With the T14 I immediately noticed it, with the same usage patterns as I had with the MacBook.
- necovek 5y agoSounds like the issues from X1 Carbon 6th gen where the only available standby was always-on-standby (Windows-only thing): some patching of ACPI tables has helped with that, though Lenovo has since updated the BIOS and restored the usual S3 standby. 7th gen worked out of the box, but I am not sure if that matches t490 or t14 generation (or maybe even t480). The biggest worry for me is putting it in a backpack and the battery causing a fire.
- Foomf 5y agoI want to give thinkpads a try, but I just don't trust Lenovo enough.
- MonaroVXR 5y agoI'm not sure. I had to google your name (Making sure if it's the right country) but this may help: You can do the following: TicketsatWork: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/ticketsatwork/pc https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/ticketsatwork/pc (Passcode: TICKETSatWK)
- AquinasCoder 5y agoI have one of the newer Dell XPS 15 laptops. Installing linux was a breeze, upgrading the storage and memory took less than half an hour, and the display is gorgeous. The downsides are that it's performance is certainly throttled quite a bit, and it's awkward sitting it on your lap due to its sharp edges and density (far less comfortable than my MBP). It's certainly been a good experience overall, but I think once thinkpad moves over fully to more reliable displays in the 16:10 ratio I'd probably choose those.
- karmakaze 5y agoGiven the 4k display, is a 16x9 aspect ratio acceptable for a premium laptop? There's no way in which I find the 16" 16x10 screen on a MacBook Pro to be too large. It even fits into a generic bag designed for 14" laptops due to being thin. A 15" 16x9 is only 1/2" narrower than a 16" 16x10, and a 15.4" is only 1/8" narrower. Physical vertical space for the screen is 'free' and glaring when seeing that blank space between the 16x9 screen and the keyboard. I suppose if you always use twin vertical terminal windows all is well. Graphical apps (and web pages) often consume too much vertical space and isn't always feasible to get that back.
- kaszanka 5y agoHaving to build out-of-tree drivers to get that Realtek WLAN card to work sounds like a real pain, it's good that Lenovo ditched that stupid PCI ID whitelist. (I think? I haven't had a ThinkPad in quite a while.)
- acidburnNSA 5y agoFor a small and light laptop with 40 GB RAM and a 8+ hour battery life that's linux first, I have to say I'm happy with my System76 lemur pro 9 that I bought in March 2020. No 4K but I don't need it on this machine. https://system76.com/laptops/lemur https://system76.com/laptops/lemur
- SamuelAdams 5y agoIs the P14s exactly the same as the T490? I'm looking at the photos online and the ports and layout is identical to my T490 that I am typing this comment on. I wonder if I can swap the internal components / motherboard?
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- listenallyall 5y agoLenovo's web site is especially frustrating. They expect customers to know the differences between ThinkPad, IdeaPad, Yoga, etc, and then between the subdivisions like ThinkPad E vs P vs X, etc. It would be far more customer-friendly if Lenovo made it very easy to say, show me all 15 inch laptops with any dedicated graphics card, and let's go from there.
- MonaroVXR 5y agoBut all of them are great, people in this "thread" are aiming at P series and XPS laptops, but from a performance perspective these aren't that great.
- alpaca128 5y agoAlmost all laptop makers' websites are absolutely horrible. The worst I've seen is Dell's, where for some reason every ~10 seconds a distracting popup jumps into the screen. And the device comparison feature is useless, it just shows the same summary as usual but side by side. I had to look for minutes to see that a price difference between two models came from the 13" and 15" size difference...which was a single digit difference in a ~10-item list without any highlighting. It's weird how manufacturers are imitating Apple at every step unless it's an improvement in UX.