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Sailfish OS is mobile Linux and can run on smartphones. I didn't personally use it but the website claims it to run on the Sony Xperia 10 II from 2020. It cost

by foepys 5y ago

Sailfish OS is mobile Linux and can run on smartphones. I didn't personally use it but the website claims it to run on the Sony Xperia 10 II from 2020. It costs $50, though. https://jolla.com https://jolla.com

rakwoelq 5y ago
Purchasing Sailfish has some geographical restrictions. "Sailfish X is currently available in the countries of the European Union, Norway and Switzerland ("Authorized Countries") and the use of our website and services to purchase Sailfish X outside of the Authorized Countries is prohibited."[0] https://shop.jolla.com https://shop.jolla.com
- aerique 5y ago
  Yes, this is the main problem with SFOS. I think it is because of the USA's allowance of trivial patents which act like a trade block.
- m4rtink 5y ago
  This is effectively just (understandable) CYA on Jollas part, likely due to the some countries respecting the insanity that are software patents. In practice only the act of buying the actual Sailfish OS license in https://shop.jolla.com https://shop.jolla.com needs to be done from the the EU/supported countries. That can be done via a EU VPN and none of the Jolla provided services (RPM repositories needed for system updates, etc.) are geoblocked. I went to Japan with Sailfish OS phone twice with no issues at all. For reference: - getting SFOS from outside of EU: https://together.jolla.com/question/184861/ask-purchase-sailfish-x-outside-eu/ https://together.jolla.com/question/184861/ask-purchase-sail... https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/has-jolla-abandoned-sailors-in-the-uk/6169/10 https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/has-jolla-abandoned-sailors-i... - stats from the community Sailfish OS software repository showing a lot of traffic from countries outside of the officially supported area https://openrepos.net/statistics/global https://openrepos.net/statistics/global
m4rtink 5y ago
I have been using Sailfish OS since its launch in 2013 and it works fine, even for regular users (if you install it for them). I have recently installed it on the Xperia 10 II you mention as well use a couple Xperia X devices in the family. Use the Jolla 1 & Jolla C before back when Jolla still manufactured their own devices. Frankly, before some of the PinePhone distro mature, this is the only really usable Linux distro based independent mobile OS. And it has been available for years, yet people don't seem to be aware of it or seem to ignore it for some reason. And if you have any questions about Sailfish OS, fire away! :)
- s0q 5y ago
  One of the reasons I want the Xperia 10 II is because of the TOF sensor and the camera array. Does the Sailfish OS offer software which utilises those?
  - m4rtink 5y ago
    For some reason the default camera only uses the "normal" camera but the Advanced Camera application from the community repos (Open Repos) can use all three without issues. No idea about the ToF sensor - I woukd guess it could be used unless it nerds some weird Android blobs to function.
- fragileone 5y ago
  I've been aware of it but the fact that there's proprietary parts makes it a non-starter for me. Why leave one closed-source ecosystem to go join another? I'll get a phone I can flash with postmarketOS/Plasma Mobile/Ubuntu Touch instead.
  - m4rtink 5y ago
    Because Sailfish OS works now and is mikes better in both openness and privacy violations than both iOS and Android ? And while I agree that the closed source parts are stupid I still think Sailfish OS is a good stepping stone to full open distros and hardware once they reach sufficient maturity.

by foepys 5y ago

rakwoelq 5y ago

Purchasing Sailfish has some geographical restrictions. "Sailfish X is currently available in the countries of the European Union, Norway and Switzerland ("Authorized Countries") and the use of our website and services to purchase Sailfish X outside of the Authorized Countries is prohibited."[0] https://shop.jolla.com https://shop.jolla.com

aerique 5y ago
Yes, this is the main problem with SFOS. I think it is because of the USA's allowance of trivial patents which act like a trade block.
m4rtink 5y ago
This is effectively just (understandable) CYA on Jollas part, likely due to the some countries respecting the insanity that are software patents. In practice only the act of buying the actual Sailfish OS license in https://shop.jolla.com https://shop.jolla.com needs to be done from the the EU/supported countries. That can be done via a EU VPN and none of the Jolla provided services (RPM repositories needed for system updates, etc.) are geoblocked. I went to Japan with Sailfish OS phone twice with no issues at all. For reference: - getting SFOS from outside of EU: https://together.jolla.com/question/184861/ask-purchase-sailfish-x-outside-eu/ https://together.jolla.com/question/184861/ask-purchase-sail... https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/has-jolla-abandoned-sailors-in-the-uk/6169/10 https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/has-jolla-abandoned-sailors-i... - stats from the community Sailfish OS software repository showing a lot of traffic from countries outside of the officially supported area https://openrepos.net/statistics/global https://openrepos.net/statistics/global

m4rtink 5y ago

I have been using Sailfish OS since its launch in 2013 and it works fine, even for regular users (if you install it for them). I have recently installed it on the Xperia 10 II you mention as well use a couple Xperia X devices in the family. Use the Jolla 1 & Jolla C before back when Jolla still manufactured their own devices. Frankly, before some of the PinePhone distro mature, this is the only really usable Linux distro based independent mobile OS. And it has been available for years, yet people don't seem to be aware of it or seem to ignore it for some reason. And if you have any questions about Sailfish OS, fire away! :)

s0q 5y ago
One of the reasons I want the Xperia 10 II is because of the TOF sensor and the camera array. Does the Sailfish OS offer software which utilises those?
- m4rtink 5y ago
  For some reason the default camera only uses the "normal" camera but the Advanced Camera application from the community repos (Open Repos) can use all three without issues. No idea about the ToF sensor - I woukd guess it could be used unless it nerds some weird Android blobs to function.
fragileone 5y ago
I've been aware of it but the fact that there's proprietary parts makes it a non-starter for me. Why leave one closed-source ecosystem to go join another? I'll get a phone I can flash with postmarketOS/Plasma Mobile/Ubuntu Touch instead.
- m4rtink 5y ago
  Because Sailfish OS works now and is mikes better in both openness and privacy violations than both iOS and Android ? And while I agree that the closed source parts are stupid I still think Sailfish OS is a good stepping stone to full open distros and hardware once they reach sufficient maturity.