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If it leads o backstabing I am will prefer not to work with you. If you act like a 3 year old kid in professional context, then you are not welcome in my enviro

If it leads o backstabing I am will prefer not to work with you. If you act like a 3 year old kid in professional context, then you are not welcome in my environment. So this is also a kind of test - real life is ripe which MUCH more worst examples of it, and if you can't take a honest negative comment, it says a lot about you. At my current job I have a team of 4 and we can say to each other much more nasty shit then that, and I can't imagine working with such passion with anybody else (the feeling is mutual). We also accomplish x10 more then any other team.

teekert 5y ago
Maybe it works for your current team, but there are many people out there that are more introverted and care more about how a group feels and to them that is intimately connected to how it functions. These people are also valuable but you'd scare them away. As a result I think your team is not very diverse and inevitably you will just squash any resistance and make what your team thinks is best because more silent people (with their interesting, different perspective) won't stand up to you anymore. I think this is a recipe for failure. We did an "Insights course" [0]. It seems like you are in a team of red people (competitive, determined, strong willed), but green people (caring, sharing, encouraging) people will have bad time there. Same for precise, deliberate, questioning individuals. I think it is good to consider how the way you communicate can affect others. Honestly based on what you are saying I would like working with you, I too have a big mouth. But don't you want to at least try to be a person that can work with any character type? And does it matter who is welcome in your environment? Sometimes people are stuck with you, it seems like when they don't match your expectations, you are going to give them a bad time. [0] https://www.mudamasters.com/en/personal-growth-personality/insights-discovery-part-1-4-colors https://www.mudamasters.com/en/personal-growth-personality/i...
- majkinetor 5y ago
  Hey, this is a big world, to each his own :) One of the most important thing in working environment is to enjoy it. If that is not your cup of tea, no need to push it or tell me my environment is wrong. Yes, we are "red people" I guess :) > Honestly based on what you are saying I would like working with you, I too have a big mouth. You can :) If you don't mind working remote and have good programming skillz and like big gov projects feel free to contact me :) > Sometimes people are stuck with you Then I will try to unstack :)
  - teekert 5y ago
    :) Thanx for the offer but I'm quite fine with where I am. I just want to add some more thoughts, I feel in a sense that I'm talking to past me. You see, Bro, I get it. I worked in a supermarket when I was younger, we constantly insulted each other's mother and we said multiple things a day that would more than embarrass us should we ever become POTUS. We physically hurt each other. And I think back of those times with feelings of warmth in my heart. But, was it an open, inviting environment? No. It was very unwelcoming and harsh to anybody but our own character type. It may have been the place where I worked, but I would not call it a professional environment. In my current opinion a professional environment is welcoming, inclusive and respectful to anybody. I would encourage you to try to reach beyond your current group, there is much to discover. Open up, try on different characters, roles and forms of humor. I bet that you can be more welcoming, more pleasant to work with for a broader range of character types and be more productive at the same time. Who knows you'll discover another side of yourself even. Sure you are having fun now, but it will end and it may end differently than you can currently imagine. This is really a warning. Some jokes or remarks are really not acceptable to some people, and they may get you into trouble. And, as I feel now, rightfully so. Try not to identify yourself completely with this group you are now in. If anything, they are quite rare and not universally loved.
    - majkinetor 5y ago
      Dude... > We physically hurt each other. > But, was it an open, inviting environment? No. > It was very unwelcoming and harsh to anybody but our own character type I hate physical violence. You don't seem to keep it in focus here. Like I said, you extrapolate too much, its obvious now. It should be unwelcoming and harsh to other character types, because that is the character type that we need to finish the job in this ecosystem. Its even the opposite of what you claim - we have a dude who was playing according to the rules you mention, and now he "switched" to our side because he realized that sometimes, strong words is the only way to make something happen :) There is a saying here "the beating came out of heaven". > I would encourage you to try to reach beyond your current group, there is much to discover. No thanks. I am not that young as you seem to think. > I bet that you can be more welcoming, more pleasant to work with People just love to work with me - both colleagues and stakeholders, because I get the job done and because they think my reactions are unique and funny. You please continue to be pleasant, that is probably great skill to have in supermarket, not in my line of work where people expect results yesterday :) You see, you can theorize all you want, you cant fight the facts. Also, this is not set in stone - if certain situation requires me to be nice little puppy in order to get the job done, I will do it. Like I said, context is everything, and life is a mess, while you can keep pretending you play board game with strictly set rules everybody is following... > Try not to identify yourself completely with this group you are now in. If anything, they are quite rare and not universally loved. "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reflect"

teekert 5y ago

Maybe it works for your current team, but there are many people out there that are more introverted and care more about how a group feels and to them that is intimately connected to how it functions. These people are also valuable but you'd scare them away. As a result I think your team is not very diverse and inevitably you will just squash any resistance and make what your team thinks is best because more silent people (with their interesting, different perspective) won't stand up to you anymore. I think this is a recipe for failure. We did an "Insights course" [0]. It seems like you are in a team of red people (competitive, determined, strong willed), but green people (caring, sharing, encouraging) people will have bad time there. Same for precise, deliberate, questioning individuals. I think it is good to consider how the way you communicate can affect others. Honestly based on what you are saying I would like working with you, I too have a big mouth. But don't you want to at least try to be a person that can work with any character type? And does it matter who is welcome in your environment? Sometimes people are stuck with you, it seems like when they don't match your expectations, you are going to give them a bad time. [0] https://www.mudamasters.com/en/personal-growth-personality/insights-discovery-part-1-4-colors https://www.mudamasters.com/en/personal-growth-personality/i...

majkinetor 5y ago
Hey, this is a big world, to each his own :) One of the most important thing in working environment is to enjoy it. If that is not your cup of tea, no need to push it or tell me my environment is wrong. Yes, we are "red people" I guess :) > Honestly based on what you are saying I would like working with you, I too have a big mouth. You can :) If you don't mind working remote and have good programming skillz and like big gov projects feel free to contact me :) > Sometimes people are stuck with you Then I will try to unstack :)
- teekert 5y ago
  :) Thanx for the offer but I'm quite fine with where I am. I just want to add some more thoughts, I feel in a sense that I'm talking to past me. You see, Bro, I get it. I worked in a supermarket when I was younger, we constantly insulted each other's mother and we said multiple things a day that would more than embarrass us should we ever become POTUS. We physically hurt each other. And I think back of those times with feelings of warmth in my heart. But, was it an open, inviting environment? No. It was very unwelcoming and harsh to anybody but our own character type. It may have been the place where I worked, but I would not call it a professional environment. In my current opinion a professional environment is welcoming, inclusive and respectful to anybody. I would encourage you to try to reach beyond your current group, there is much to discover. Open up, try on different characters, roles and forms of humor. I bet that you can be more welcoming, more pleasant to work with for a broader range of character types and be more productive at the same time. Who knows you'll discover another side of yourself even. Sure you are having fun now, but it will end and it may end differently than you can currently imagine. This is really a warning. Some jokes or remarks are really not acceptable to some people, and they may get you into trouble. And, as I feel now, rightfully so. Try not to identify yourself completely with this group you are now in. If anything, they are quite rare and not universally loved.
  - majkinetor 5y ago
    Dude... > We physically hurt each other. > But, was it an open, inviting environment? No. > It was very unwelcoming and harsh to anybody but our own character type I hate physical violence. You don't seem to keep it in focus here. Like I said, you extrapolate too much, its obvious now. It should be unwelcoming and harsh to other character types, because that is the character type that we need to finish the job in this ecosystem. Its even the opposite of what you claim - we have a dude who was playing according to the rules you mention, and now he "switched" to our side because he realized that sometimes, strong words is the only way to make something happen :) There is a saying here "the beating came out of heaven". > I would encourage you to try to reach beyond your current group, there is much to discover. No thanks. I am not that young as you seem to think. > I bet that you can be more welcoming, more pleasant to work with People just love to work with me - both colleagues and stakeholders, because I get the job done and because they think my reactions are unique and funny. You please continue to be pleasant, that is probably great skill to have in supermarket, not in my line of work where people expect results yesterday :) You see, you can theorize all you want, you cant fight the facts. Also, this is not set in stone - if certain situation requires me to be nice little puppy in order to get the job done, I will do it. Like I said, context is everything, and life is a mess, while you can keep pretending you play board game with strictly set rules everybody is following... > Try not to identify yourself completely with this group you are now in. If anything, they are quite rare and not universally loved. "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reflect"