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Only if you use iCloud photos, so you do have a choice. In practice any major cloud provider is going to or is already doing this. We need a better regulatory
by czzr 5y ago
Only if you use iCloud photos, so you do have a choice.
In practice any major cloud provider is going to or is already doing this. We need a better regulatory approach, it isn’t practical to put the responsibility on providers.
- Croftengea 5y ago"On device scanning" and "only if you use iCloud photos" doesn't make any sense does it? If it's really the case they're just preparing the ground for the next step which they hope won't get as much publicity...
- samrolken 5y agoMicrosoft and Google hash your unencrypted photos on their own servers. Apple could easily do the same… I wonder why they didn’t…
- tzs 5y agoProbably because they are also adding a feature to parental controls which when enabled checks images sent to the phones of your children 13 and under and if the image matches a known bad image they give the child the option to accept it or not, warning the child that if they elect to accept it their parents will be notified and given a copy of the image. That has to be done on the phone because Messages is end-to-end encrypted. If they are going to have to have hash matching on the phone anyway for that, it makes sense to also use that for checking images that are to be sent to the cloud.
- samrolken 5y agoThe detection of sexual images in kids’ messages doesn’t use the same hashing setup as the iCloud Photos detection feature.
- andy_ppp 5y agoNo, there is a plan to also do on device scanning.
- weikju 5y agoThey've said the on-device scanning is done only when you are using iCloud Photos. So it's on-device scanning but only when you are deciding to share your photos with Apple... At least that's how it is for now. https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/05/apple-csam-detection-disabled-icloud-photos/ https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/05/apple-csam-detection-di... "CSAM image scanning is not an optional feature and it happens automatically, but Apple has confirmed to MacRumors that it cannot detect known CSAM images if the iCloud Photos feature is turned off."
- andy_ppp 5y agoThere’s two things going on I thought the iMessage stuff was on device but maybe I’m misreading things. It’s unfortunately cloaked in secrecy…
- mschuster91 5y ago> We need a better regulatory approach We won't get one though, because the "think of the children!!!" crap is extremely pervasive and anyone going against it will be smeared as a pedo defender.
- dwaite 5y agoIt is unrealistic to expect corporations, which exist solely via regulations of various governments, to act as if they are immune from government regulatory control. In fact, a lot of negative press for FAANG (add extra letters as needed) specifically makes the point that they are acting as if they are bigger than any government. In that mindset, the answer is absolutely to combat and to attempt to change broken laws first. Also, it isn't just "think of the children". For instance, there have been some _terrible_ proposals under the banner of Right to Repair. People tend to not want to invest the time in understanding the ramifications of the actual proposals, and instead vote for or against the concept. One of the reasons ballot measures are both empowering and terrifying. Good regulations take time and care - and generally, less is more.