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I actually have a decent relationship with Lua. It's not my favorite language in the world. But it works. I hated Love though. Not for any technical reason. I

I actually have a decent relationship with Lua. It's not my favorite language in the world. But it works. I hated Love though. Not for any technical reason. I really wanted to use it. But, every damn library seemed to be a play on Anal or Lube. I realize that's a silly reason to give up on a piece of technology. But it's also silly those things had to have unfortunate names to begin with.

jmiskovic 5y ago
Some of worst offenders have since changed lib names, you should be OK if you ever decide to jump back in.
Verdex 5y ago
Software names are the worst. Even "highly respectable" library/framework/etc names sound ridiculous. I found the microservices[1] joke video to be funny (in a you have to laugh or you're going to cry kind of way) mostly because the names are so off the wall and true to life in a way that the muggles probably wouldn't believe is accurate. Saying, "Sorry guys, I just can't get past the names," is totally a legitimate thing to do. At some point you have to be able to talk to other people about this stuff and it's going to help a lot if you can say the names of the things you're working on without dying of shame. And it's not just about common decency. People are going to believe you're messing with them if you say something like, "Oh yeah, I've been working on getting `buttplug` to send ip packets correctly, however it's been giving me some problems." [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8OnoxKotPQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8OnoxKotPQ
stavros 5y ago
Well, personally, I wonder why you consider sexual names "unfortunate". Sex must be the single biggest thing that everyone does yet pretends not to. I'm not a fan of this "why I never" mindset. It just seems prudish to me. A library called "huge red buttplug"? I don't love the length, but I'll use it, why not.
- philsnow 5y ago
  I want to get my 12 and 10 year old children into programming, but I won't show them löve because of this naming issue. It's otherwise an ideal library for them, but I show them pygame/qbasic/logo instead.
- finjo 5y ago
  We're in a profession where women are constantly exposed to unwanted sexual advances and innuendo. I don't think it's prudish to not want to think about "huge red butt plugs" while programming, unless I'm working on the source code for a butt plug.
  - stavros 5y ago
    Unless someone wrote the library specifically to expose women to it, I think it is. Sex is something common, and this might be my European culture talking, but I just don't see what the big deal is.
    - JabavuAdams 5y ago
      Maybe ask a bunch of women developers what they think? Europeans too. If you don't get it maybe it's BS, or maybe you don't know enough. As a really smart, sometimes empathetic young person I used to think that I could understand most issues by observation, without having to live through them. One of the bitter lessons of getting older is that this is just incredibly irritatingly wrong. The phrase "lived experience" makes me barf a bit in my mouth due to weaponization, so maybe I'll say "walk a mile in someone else's shoes". EDIT> Try to imagine what it's like to be creeped on almost all the time, everywhere you go. Want to forget for a bit and concentrate on some coding? Nope, the dude you work with is going to giggle about anal something when he's not trying to catch some side-boob or blather nonsense to you because he's crushing hard on his brilliant female coworker. EDIT 2> I'm okay with kink, but I don't want to be distracted in a professional context saying ridiculous things like "butt blug". It's just juvenile and dumb. I really wouldn't take a pro-sex, anti-prude stand on such nonsense.

jmiskovic 5y ago

Some of worst offenders have since changed lib names, you should be OK if you ever decide to jump back in.

Verdex 5y ago

Software names are the worst. Even "highly respectable" library/framework/etc names sound ridiculous. I found the microservices[1] joke video to be funny (in a you have to laugh or you're going to cry kind of way) mostly because the names are so off the wall and true to life in a way that the muggles probably wouldn't believe is accurate. Saying, "Sorry guys, I just can't get past the names," is totally a legitimate thing to do. At some point you have to be able to talk to other people about this stuff and it's going to help a lot if you can say the names of the things you're working on without dying of shame. And it's not just about common decency. People are going to believe you're messing with them if you say something like, "Oh yeah, I've been working on getting `buttplug` to send ip packets correctly, however it's been giving me some problems." [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8OnoxKotPQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8OnoxKotPQ

stavros 5y ago

Well, personally, I wonder why you consider sexual names "unfortunate". Sex must be the single biggest thing that everyone does yet pretends not to. I'm not a fan of this "why I never" mindset. It just seems prudish to me. A library called "huge red buttplug"? I don't love the length, but I'll use it, why not.

philsnow 5y ago
I want to get my 12 and 10 year old children into programming, but I won't show them löve because of this naming issue. It's otherwise an ideal library for them, but I show them pygame/qbasic/logo instead.
finjo 5y ago
We're in a profession where women are constantly exposed to unwanted sexual advances and innuendo. I don't think it's prudish to not want to think about "huge red butt plugs" while programming, unless I'm working on the source code for a butt plug.
- stavros 5y ago
  Unless someone wrote the library specifically to expose women to it, I think it is. Sex is something common, and this might be my European culture talking, but I just don't see what the big deal is.
  - JabavuAdams 5y ago
    Maybe ask a bunch of women developers what they think? Europeans too. If you don't get it maybe it's BS, or maybe you don't know enough. As a really smart, sometimes empathetic young person I used to think that I could understand most issues by observation, without having to live through them. One of the bitter lessons of getting older is that this is just incredibly irritatingly wrong. The phrase "lived experience" makes me barf a bit in my mouth due to weaponization, so maybe I'll say "walk a mile in someone else's shoes". EDIT> Try to imagine what it's like to be creeped on almost all the time, everywhere you go. Want to forget for a bit and concentrate on some coding? Nope, the dude you work with is going to giggle about anal something when he's not trying to catch some side-boob or blather nonsense to you because he's crushing hard on his brilliant female coworker. EDIT 2> I'm okay with kink, but I don't want to be distracted in a professional context saying ridiculous things like "butt blug". It's just juvenile and dumb. I really wouldn't take a pro-sex, anti-prude stand on such nonsense.