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With AIMI, we released EchoNet-Dynamic, the largest open dataset of echocardiograms (cardiac ultrasounds) and expert cardiologist labels as part of a paper publ

With AIMI, we released EchoNet-Dynamic, the largest open dataset of echocardiograms (cardiac ultrasounds) and expert cardiologist labels as part of a paper published last year. The dataset went through a rigorous review to make sure no identifying information was leaked as part of the process. Happy to answer any questions.

Areading314 5y ago
The data license seems to be research-only. How would people be able to build products/medical device software with this license? Or is that not a goal of releasing this data?
- alphaoverlord 5y ago
  It’s a research dataset, similar to MNIST or CIFAR. Stanford does not want to be in the business of monetizing patient data, so it restricts commercial use.
  - Areading314 5y ago
    The datasets are deidentified, so that doesn't seem like a plausible rationale
    - nl 5y ago
      The issue of monetizing is completely separate to de-identification. Often sources of this type of medical data will give them to universities under the no-commerical-use condition.
      - Areading314 5y ago
        The reason they do this is so that they can later monetize the dataset.
        nl 5y ago
        Often, no. It's because if they charge for it the admin of having to pass money back to participating people is prohibitive. Often you can't buy these datasets at any price.
    - IfOnlyYouKnew 5y ago
      Just look at how agitated people here are getting at the prospect of GitHub copilot using tiny code snippets from their work for potentially commercial works. Then imagine it’s not your unique way to loop over a file in python, but your medical information.
  - the_optimist 5y ago
    You just stated a paradox like it makes sense. If you _didn’t_ want to be in the business of monetizing data, while providing data, you _wouldn’t_ restrict commercial use.
  - elmolino89 5y ago
    how broad is the non commercial use clause? I can imagine i.e. some BigPharma buying another datasets and using your data sets for who knows, validation of the acquired ones/metadata improvement etc. No commercial product in the area of imaging/diagnosis but maybe some commercial drug 10-15 years down the road. Do you think that such use is also forbidden by the licence?

Areading314 5y ago

The data license seems to be research-only. How would people be able to build products/medical device software with this license? Or is that not a goal of releasing this data?

alphaoverlord 5y ago
It’s a research dataset, similar to MNIST or CIFAR. Stanford does not want to be in the business of monetizing patient data, so it restricts commercial use.
- Areading314 5y ago
  The datasets are deidentified, so that doesn't seem like a plausible rationale
  - nl 5y ago
    The issue of monetizing is completely separate to de-identification. Often sources of this type of medical data will give them to universities under the no-commerical-use condition.
    - Areading314 5y ago
      The reason they do this is so that they can later monetize the dataset.
      - nl 5y ago
        Often, no. It's because if they charge for it the admin of having to pass money back to participating people is prohibitive. Often you can't buy these datasets at any price.
  - IfOnlyYouKnew 5y ago
    Just look at how agitated people here are getting at the prospect of GitHub copilot using tiny code snippets from their work for potentially commercial works. Then imagine it’s not your unique way to loop over a file in python, but your medical information.
- the_optimist 5y ago
  You just stated a paradox like it makes sense. If you _didn’t_ want to be in the business of monetizing data, while providing data, you _wouldn’t_ restrict commercial use.
- elmolino89 5y ago
  how broad is the non commercial use clause? I can imagine i.e. some BigPharma buying another datasets and using your data sets for who knows, validation of the acquired ones/metadata improvement etc. No commercial product in the area of imaging/diagnosis but maybe some commercial drug 10-15 years down the road. Do you think that such use is also forbidden by the licence?