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You can't mandate vaccination with a highly experimental and yet unapproved vaccine. And the main point revolves COVID-19 and the Olympics, not vaccinations in

You can't mandate vaccination with a highly experimental and yet unapproved vaccine. And the main point revolves COVID-19 and the Olympics, not vaccinations in general. > For the same reason, rules announced last month in France and Greece requiring that people going to cinemas, bars, or traveling on a train show proof of vaccination are not a violation of anyone’s freedom. I can't believe a professor in bioethics wrote that. We never asked people to show proof of other vaccinations, or proof that they're not violent and won't attack others if drunk, or of past convictions. There's the implicit agreement that, if you're sick, you won't show up, and most people do that. The comparison with seatbelts is absurd.

justnotworthit 5y ago
People are assuming that we have a miracle cure that will lead to irradication of a hellish disease. Yet we're already seeing signs (iceland, israel, not sure about NZ) that they will not lead to herd immunity[1], and that protection is waning [pfizer study preprint][2]. The goalpost has been moved to "serious disease" (which is reason to get the vaccine, sure). "Fewer deaths" is uncertain to [pfizer preprint, of 44,000, deaths from covid and all cases were evenly split][3]. <speculation, ignore this> Breakthrough infections are leading to viral loads resembling unvaxxed loads[4], which raises the worry of vaccine escape mutations (lesser in number than the random mutations in unvaxxed carriers, but way more deadly). </speculation, ignore this> [1] https://www.icelandreview.com/society/covid-19-in-iceland-vaccination-has-not-led-to-herd-immunity-says-chief-epidemiologist/ https://www.icelandreview.com/society/covid-19-in-iceland-va... [2] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v... [3] Page 12, https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/07/28/2021.07.28.21261159/DC1/embed/media-1.pdf?download=true https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/07/28/202... [4] https://news.wisc.edu/study-shows-virus-abundant-in-covid-19-cases-in-wisconsin-even-among-fully-vaccinated/ https://news.wisc.edu/study-shows-virus-abundant-in-covid-19... How can you even consider mandates until these facts are straight?
- rytcio 5y ago
  It's been preached as the savior of the pandemic since they were announced. Then they said if you're vaxed you can go back to work and be around other vaxed people without a mask. Now people are still "getting sick" even with the vax, so basically it did nothing and was pointless. It's nothing more than a constant moving of goal posts designed to eradicate all liberties here on forth.

justnotworthit 5y ago

People are assuming that we have a miracle cure that will lead to irradication of a hellish disease. Yet we're already seeing signs (iceland, israel, not sure about NZ) that they will not lead to herd immunity[1], and that protection is waning [pfizer study preprint][2]. The goalpost has been moved to "serious disease" (which is reason to get the vaccine, sure). "Fewer deaths" is uncertain to [pfizer preprint, of 44,000, deaths from covid and all cases were evenly split][3]. <speculation, ignore this> Breakthrough infections are leading to viral loads resembling unvaxxed loads[4], which raises the worry of vaccine escape mutations (lesser in number than the random mutations in unvaxxed carriers, but way more deadly). </speculation, ignore this> [1] https://www.icelandreview.com/society/covid-19-in-iceland-vaccination-has-not-led-to-herd-immunity-says-chief-epidemiologist/ https://www.icelandreview.com/society/covid-19-in-iceland-va... [2] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v... [3] Page 12, https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/07/28/2021.07.28.21261159/DC1/embed/media-1.pdf?download=true https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/07/28/202... [4] https://news.wisc.edu/study-shows-virus-abundant-in-covid-19-cases-in-wisconsin-even-among-fully-vaccinated/ https://news.wisc.edu/study-shows-virus-abundant-in-covid-19... How can you even consider mandates until these facts are straight?

rytcio 5y ago
It's been preached as the savior of the pandemic since they were announced. Then they said if you're vaxed you can go back to work and be around other vaxed people without a mask. Now people are still "getting sick" even with the vax, so basically it did nothing and was pointless. It's nothing more than a constant moving of goal posts designed to eradicate all liberties here on forth.