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If you are worried about the photos your kids are sending/receiving the problem isn't in the device. I won't use my own kids devices as information weapons aga

If you are worried about the photos your kids are sending/receiving the problem isn't in the device. I won't use my own kids devices as information weapons against them. I will teach them what kind of information weapons they are however.

dwaite 5y ago
If you are talking about parents giving their children a device to use as a weapon against them, you are implying some really bad parenting and really bad general human behavior by some other parents. Not that there aren't some really lousy parents out there. I suspect/hope the exclusion parenting style (you don't get a phone because I don't trust you with it or the rest of the world with you) and the guidance parenting style (you get a phone but I'm going to make sure to talk to you about responsibility and about lousy people in the world, and I want to know if something happens so we can keep talking) both far outweigh this sort of proposed 'entrapment' parenting style.
slownews45 5y ago
Good lord - people have scary parenting styles - "information weapons"??? A phone is a tool. You start slowly. Do you give a 3 year old a chainsaw or machine gun right away? No. I grew up and learned to shoot. I started with a bb gun, then a 22lr rife etc. You start with stuff less dangerous. A phone potentially exposes children to all sorts of crap. It's not some horrible thing to start slowly with something a bit locked down (and yes, blocking porn is part of that), then it opens up as they get mature. This conversation has really made me look at the HN community in a different way. I've worked with kids in lots of contexts and with parents etc - the HN feelings about apple's efforts in this area are going to be somewhat extreme outliers relative to population as a whole and particularly vis a vis parents.
- _carbyau_ 5y ago
  It seems like the "guiding parent" style is acceptable to you. And yes, a phone - and the web and computing in general - are information weapons. Same as a knife or a hammer they have utility too which is great and also something to be lauded. But dangers must be recognised. I won't trust Apple or Google to draw the line in the sand for me. Both the kid and myself will know what the expectations are and be talking about it the whole way through growing up.

dwaite 5y ago

If you are talking about parents giving their children a device to use as a weapon against them, you are implying some really bad parenting and really bad general human behavior by some other parents. Not that there aren't some really lousy parents out there. I suspect/hope the exclusion parenting style (you don't get a phone because I don't trust you with it or the rest of the world with you) and the guidance parenting style (you get a phone but I'm going to make sure to talk to you about responsibility and about lousy people in the world, and I want to know if something happens so we can keep talking) both far outweigh this sort of proposed 'entrapment' parenting style.

slownews45 5y ago

Good lord - people have scary parenting styles - "information weapons"??? A phone is a tool. You start slowly. Do you give a 3 year old a chainsaw or machine gun right away? No. I grew up and learned to shoot. I started with a bb gun, then a 22lr rife etc. You start with stuff less dangerous. A phone potentially exposes children to all sorts of crap. It's not some horrible thing to start slowly with something a bit locked down (and yes, blocking porn is part of that), then it opens up as they get mature. This conversation has really made me look at the HN community in a different way. I've worked with kids in lots of contexts and with parents etc - the HN feelings about apple's efforts in this area are going to be somewhat extreme outliers relative to population as a whole and particularly vis a vis parents.

_carbyau_ 5y ago
It seems like the "guiding parent" style is acceptable to you. And yes, a phone - and the web and computing in general - are information weapons. Same as a knife or a hammer they have utility too which is great and also something to be lauded. But dangers must be recognised. I won't trust Apple or Google to draw the line in the sand for me. Both the kid and myself will know what the expectations are and be talking about it the whole way through growing up.