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CNN Fires Three Employees for Coming into the Office Unvaccinated

25 points by adrian_mrd 5y ago

breck 5y ago
Notice: I think the vaccine is a good bet if you are over 18 and haven't had COVID yet. For the recovered? No. For children? No. Is it long term effective? I don't know. Did the ending of the placebo control group after 2 months, nearly 2 years early, raise permanent red flags? Yes. Is there a significant chance that the vaccine will apply selective pressure to the virus leading to an escape variant? It's an interesting topic, I recommend exploring some of the lit and the current trends with Delta. Now, back to the news media. Pfizer and Moderna alone will bring in over $50B this year. The budget for every news organization in all of America amounts to $10B. CNN's budget is < $1B. Is it plausible that the vaccine industry is applying financial incentives to folks at CNN to promote max vaccination? Given CNN's writings about the vaccine, often clearly false, I would be shocked if this weren't the case. I suspect for CNN the max-vax money must be a gold rush.
- gunapologist99 5y ago
  Agree. Follow the money. Is anyone really shocked at this point? I've heard that Dr. Fauci is a partial owner on some patents, and that somehow this isn't a conflict of interest. And CNN has already demonstrated that it's woefully compromised. (They need to fire Chris Cuomo, like three months ago..)
  - daughart 5y ago
    Why take the time to argue a point that's easily disproven? https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/may/12/jerome-corsi/conspiracy-theorist-spreads-false-claim-about-fauc/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/may/12/jerome-cor... Fauci isn't an inventor or owner of any COVID vaccine patents. Even if Fauci was an inventor on them, his patents would be owned by the Federal Government. By Federal Law, inventors of government patents are entitled to a maximum royalty of $150k/year.
    - gunapologist99 5y ago
      > Why take the time to argue a point that's easily disproven? >> I've heard that Dr. Fauci is a partial owner on some patents > Fauci isn't an inventor or owner of any COVID vaccine patents. Why take the time to argue a tiny subpoint of my point, by erecting a strawman and linking to a fact checker that is political by its very nature.. Which spends the first half of the page attempting to discredit the supposed author of the point, and then, hilariously, admits that, in fact, Fauci is listed as inventor of at least four patents, even if possibly unrelated to COVID-19 vaccines etc, and the so-called fact checker even said they actually reached out to NIAID for comment on those patents and never heard back.
      - daughart 5y ago
        You know that all US parents are published, after approximately 1 year, in publicly searchable databases, right? I’m sure NIAID had better things to do… like fighting a pandemic. The real question is why you are so afraid of the vaccine, so as to promote FUD? Or is it just displaced fear from a virus demonstrating that you’re not quite as in charge of your life as you thought?
- daughart 5y ago
  Why in the hell would big Pharma pay any media to promote the vaccines? Most of the revenue is already booked from state actors, and they're literally selling the cure to a global pandemic. They don't need to juice demand - such a ploy could only hurt them. Frankly, continuation of the pandemic via poor adoption of the vaccine would increase future business in the form of boosters, etc.
  - breck 5y ago
    > Why in the hell would big Pharma pay any media to promote the vaccines? To make more money. Do you know there is clear and abundant data that giving the recovered the vaccine provides zero benefit? Not only theoretically, but empirically too, in all countries, across the vaccine trial data and real world data. But if 1/3 of Americans are recovered, that would drop vaccine sales by 33%. Even worse, it would make the vaccine look less effective, as by giving the vax to the recovered it juices the numbers so that a smaller % of people get COVID post vax. A 33% drop in vaccine sales would amount to tens of billions of dollars in lost profits. So a rational actor would easily spend more than $10B in PR costs to promote max-vax. This is just how the publishing/media industry works. Even when industries aren't explicitly buying ads, they are paying PR firms to inconspicuously plant Op-Eds and nudge editorial. Not unique to Big Pharma or vaccines. Moderna or Pfizer themselves don't even have to be involved! Outside shareholders can indepdently pay for the PR dirty work. What's interesting with vaccines is how blatant it is. Caused me to reevaluate the importance to abolishing copyrights, giving everyone the right to be a publisher, and removing the monopoly power of our current media. It's disgusting how true knowledge is stifled and lies are propped up. It's much harder to propagate lies when there are millions of capable publishers, not just 10.
    - la6471 5y ago
      From personal experience I have seen quite young fit and healthy person die of COVID. If you saw it first hand , you would know how quickly and dangerously this virus takes over . Having a vaccine with even a 50 percent chance is a no brainer to prevent the devastating damage this virus can cause in a very short time. And so is wearing masks.
- criticaltinker 5y ago
  > For the recovered? No The scientific literature supports your position, see [1][2]. In fact there is no benefit to vaccinating these individuals, at least nothing published in the literature yet (please share links if anyone has evidence otherwise). > Is there a significant chance that the vaccine will apply selective pressure to the virus leading to an escape variant? It's an interesting topic, I recommend exploring some of the lit and the current trends with Delta Here are some great resources to learn about this topic [3][4][5][6][7][8]. If you're new to this topic try starting with [6]. Otherwise [3] is an accessible paper to jump into. [8] gives you an idea how this could play out, with evidence from chickens. > Is it plausible that the vaccine industry is applying financial incentives to folks at [BIG MEDIA] to promote max vaccination? I have no peer-reviewed references for this (yet), but to those reading please share if you do! [1] SARS-CoV-2 infection induces long-lived bone marrow plasma cells in humans https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4.pdf https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4.pdf [2] Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v3.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v... [3] Risk of rapid evolutionary escape from biomedical interventions targeting SARS-CoV-2 spike protein https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33909660/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33909660/ [4] SARS-CoV-2 immune evasion by the B.1.427/B.1.429 variant of concern https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/06/30/science.abi7994 https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/06/30/scie... [5] mRNA vaccine-elicited antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 and circulating variants https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03324-6 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03324-6 [6] Why does drug resistance readily evolve but vaccine resistance does not? https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rspb.2016.2562 https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rspb.2016... [7] The adaptive evolution of virulence: a review of theoretical predictions and empirical tests https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/30EC8AB1717BF7A173CF5E051DBB498F/S003118201500092Xa_hi.pdf/_div_class__title__The_adaptive_evolution_of_virulence__a_review_of_theoretical_predictions_and_empirical_tests__div_.pdf https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/c... [8] Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1002198 https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371%2Fj...
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hamburgerwah 5y ago
They rehired the guy that intentionally exposed himself in a sexual manner via zoom conference. It is such a hilariously broken organization.

25 points by adrian_mrd 5y ago

Notice: I think the vaccine is a good bet if you are over 18 and haven't had COVID yet. For the recovered? No. For children? No. Is it long term effective? I don't know. Did the ending of the placebo control group after 2 months, nearly 2 years early, raise permanent red flags? Yes. Is there a significant chance that the vaccine will apply selective pressure to the virus leading to an escape variant? It's an interesting topic, I recommend exploring some of the lit and the current trends with Delta. Now, back to the news media. Pfizer and Moderna alone will bring in over $50B this year. The budget for every news organization in all of America amounts to $10B. CNN's budget is < $1B. Is it plausible that the vaccine industry is applying financial incentives to folks at CNN to promote max vaccination? Given CNN's writings about the vaccine, often clearly false, I would be shocked if this weren't the case. I suspect for CNN the max-vax money must be a gold rush.

gunapologist99 5y ago
Agree. Follow the money. Is anyone really shocked at this point? I've heard that Dr. Fauci is a partial owner on some patents, and that somehow this isn't a conflict of interest. And CNN has already demonstrated that it's woefully compromised. (They need to fire Chris Cuomo, like three months ago..)
- daughart 5y ago
  Why take the time to argue a point that's easily disproven? https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/may/12/jerome-corsi/conspiracy-theorist-spreads-false-claim-about-fauc/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/may/12/jerome-cor... Fauci isn't an inventor or owner of any COVID vaccine patents. Even if Fauci was an inventor on them, his patents would be owned by the Federal Government. By Federal Law, inventors of government patents are entitled to a maximum royalty of $150k/year.
  - gunapologist99 5y ago
    > Why take the time to argue a point that's easily disproven? >> I've heard that Dr. Fauci is a partial owner on some patents > Fauci isn't an inventor or owner of any COVID vaccine patents. Why take the time to argue a tiny subpoint of my point, by erecting a strawman and linking to a fact checker that is political by its very nature.. Which spends the first half of the page attempting to discredit the supposed author of the point, and then, hilariously, admits that, in fact, Fauci is listed as inventor of at least four patents, even if possibly unrelated to COVID-19 vaccines etc, and the so-called fact checker even said they actually reached out to NIAID for comment on those patents and never heard back.
    - daughart 5y ago
      You know that all US parents are published, after approximately 1 year, in publicly searchable databases, right? I’m sure NIAID had better things to do… like fighting a pandemic. The real question is why you are so afraid of the vaccine, so as to promote FUD? Or is it just displaced fear from a virus demonstrating that you’re not quite as in charge of your life as you thought?
daughart 5y ago
Why in the hell would big Pharma pay any media to promote the vaccines? Most of the revenue is already booked from state actors, and they're literally selling the cure to a global pandemic. They don't need to juice demand - such a ploy could only hurt them. Frankly, continuation of the pandemic via poor adoption of the vaccine would increase future business in the form of boosters, etc.
- breck 5y ago
  > Why in the hell would big Pharma pay any media to promote the vaccines? To make more money. Do you know there is clear and abundant data that giving the recovered the vaccine provides zero benefit? Not only theoretically, but empirically too, in all countries, across the vaccine trial data and real world data. But if 1/3 of Americans are recovered, that would drop vaccine sales by 33%. Even worse, it would make the vaccine look less effective, as by giving the vax to the recovered it juices the numbers so that a smaller % of people get COVID post vax. A 33% drop in vaccine sales would amount to tens of billions of dollars in lost profits. So a rational actor would easily spend more than $10B in PR costs to promote max-vax. This is just how the publishing/media industry works. Even when industries aren't explicitly buying ads, they are paying PR firms to inconspicuously plant Op-Eds and nudge editorial. Not unique to Big Pharma or vaccines. Moderna or Pfizer themselves don't even have to be involved! Outside shareholders can indepdently pay for the PR dirty work. What's interesting with vaccines is how blatant it is. Caused me to reevaluate the importance to abolishing copyrights, giving everyone the right to be a publisher, and removing the monopoly power of our current media. It's disgusting how true knowledge is stifled and lies are propped up. It's much harder to propagate lies when there are millions of capable publishers, not just 10.
  - la6471 5y ago
    From personal experience I have seen quite young fit and healthy person die of COVID. If you saw it first hand , you would know how quickly and dangerously this virus takes over . Having a vaccine with even a 50 percent chance is a no brainer to prevent the devastating damage this virus can cause in a very short time. And so is wearing masks.
criticaltinker 5y ago
> For the recovered? No The scientific literature supports your position, see [1][2]. In fact there is no benefit to vaccinating these individuals, at least nothing published in the literature yet (please share links if anyone has evidence otherwise). > Is there a significant chance that the vaccine will apply selective pressure to the virus leading to an escape variant? It's an interesting topic, I recommend exploring some of the lit and the current trends with Delta Here are some great resources to learn about this topic [3][4][5][6][7][8]. If you're new to this topic try starting with [6]. Otherwise [3] is an accessible paper to jump into. [8] gives you an idea how this could play out, with evidence from chickens. > Is it plausible that the vaccine industry is applying financial incentives to folks at [BIG MEDIA] to promote max vaccination? I have no peer-reviewed references for this (yet), but to those reading please share if you do! [1] SARS-CoV-2 infection induces long-lived bone marrow plasma cells in humans https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4.pdf https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4.pdf [2] Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v3.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v... [3] Risk of rapid evolutionary escape from biomedical interventions targeting SARS-CoV-2 spike protein https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33909660/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33909660/ [4] SARS-CoV-2 immune evasion by the B.1.427/B.1.429 variant of concern https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/06/30/science.abi7994 https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/06/30/scie... [5] mRNA vaccine-elicited antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 and circulating variants https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03324-6 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03324-6 [6] Why does drug resistance readily evolve but vaccine resistance does not? https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rspb.2016.2562 https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rspb.2016... [7] The adaptive evolution of virulence: a review of theoretical predictions and empirical tests https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/30EC8AB1717BF7A173CF5E051DBB498F/S003118201500092Xa_hi.pdf/_div_class__title__The_adaptive_evolution_of_virulence__a_review_of_theoretical_predictions_and_empirical_tests__div_.pdf https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/c... [8] Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1002198 https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371%2Fj...
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hamburgerwah 5y ago

They rehired the guy that intentionally exposed himself in a sexual manner via zoom conference. It is such a hilariously broken organization.