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I wish there was a privacytools.io for hardware. I've been an iPhone user since the beginning but now I'm interested in alternatives. Last I checked, PinePhone

by mcone 5y ago

I wish there was a privacytools.io for hardware. I've been an iPhone user since the beginning but now I'm interested in alternatives. Last I checked, PinePhone was still being actively developed. Are there any decent phones that strike a balance between privacy and usability?

Knighttime 5y ago
There are tons of devices compatible with LineageOS. I suggest taking a look there. https://lineageos.org/ https://lineageos.org/
- kivlad 5y ago
  I'd go a step further and recommend https://grapheneos.org/ https://grapheneos.org/ with a Pixel phone.
  - Knighttime 5y ago
    That too! It's restricted to Pixel devices though, and (I'm not 100% sure on this. It at least doesn't include it.) doesn't support things like MicroG which is a must for getting some apps that rely on Play Services to work correctly. I really think Graphene is only good for hardcore privacy and security enthusiasts, or for situations that actually require the security. I guess it just depends on how much convenience you want to sacrifice.
    - Dracophoenix 5y ago
      CalyxOS is another option. It's hardened but also has MicroG installed.
  - josh_today 5y ago
    Serious question- how can anyone know these operating systems are truly secure? Is there a way to test the source code? From a code perspective could Google have placed a back door in Android to access these forks?
    - fragileone 5y ago
      You can compile it from the source code yourself if you want. Realistically speaking there may be a backdoor in closed-source Google Play Services, but not in the open-source AOSP project.
teddyh 5y ago
The Librem 5¹ is both more powerful then the PinePhone, and is slated² to get RYF certification³ from the FSF. 1. https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/ https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/ 2. https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-update-shipping-estimates-and-cpu-supply-chain/ https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-update-shipping-estimates-and... 3. https://ryf.fsf.org/ https://ryf.fsf.org/
- system2 5y ago
  I was so excited after reading the specs but damn $899 is a lot.

by mcone 5y ago

Knighttime 5y ago

There are tons of devices compatible with LineageOS. I suggest taking a look there. https://lineageos.org/ https://lineageos.org/

kivlad 5y ago
I'd go a step further and recommend https://grapheneos.org/ https://grapheneos.org/ with a Pixel phone.
- Knighttime 5y ago
  That too! It's restricted to Pixel devices though, and (I'm not 100% sure on this. It at least doesn't include it.) doesn't support things like MicroG which is a must for getting some apps that rely on Play Services to work correctly. I really think Graphene is only good for hardcore privacy and security enthusiasts, or for situations that actually require the security. I guess it just depends on how much convenience you want to sacrifice.
  - Dracophoenix 5y ago
    CalyxOS is another option. It's hardened but also has MicroG installed.
- josh_today 5y ago
  Serious question- how can anyone know these operating systems are truly secure? Is there a way to test the source code? From a code perspective could Google have placed a back door in Android to access these forks?
  - fragileone 5y ago
    You can compile it from the source code yourself if you want. Realistically speaking there may be a backdoor in closed-source Google Play Services, but not in the open-source AOSP project.

teddyh 5y ago

The Librem 5¹ is both more powerful then the PinePhone, and is slated² to get RYF certification³ from the FSF. 1. https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/ https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/ 2. https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-update-shipping-estimates-and-cpu-supply-chain/ https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-update-shipping-estimates-and... 3. https://ryf.fsf.org/ https://ryf.fsf.org/

system2 5y ago
I was so excited after reading the specs but damn $899 is a lot.