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>pristine Spacemacs >vanilla What? :O Spacemacs is like 50k LOC away from vanilla config.

pdimitar 5y ago
Ah, I mean vanilla Spacemacs. :D I also meant I barely changed it, nothing more. Hence why I was baffled that switching to terminal mode lost like half the syntax coloring. :|
- Jtsummers 5y ago
  https://develop.spacemacs.org/doc/FAQ.html#why-does-my-color-theme-not-render-correctly-in-terminal-mode https://develop.spacemacs.org/doc/FAQ.html#why-does-my-color... Seems like an appropriate FAQ item.
  - pdimitar 5y ago
    Well okay, fair enough but it doesn't actually solve the problem. Modern terminals can render basically all colors your DE / display supports so I am not sure why there isn't a check for that and utilize the feature if it's there.
    - Jtsummers 5y ago
      You'll need to make sure that your terminal actually supports the variety of colors that emacs is emitting and that your terminal palette matches your emacs GUI color palette. Emacs can't magically switch your terminal from a 16-color mode to 256-colors, or change the palette.
      - pdimitar 5y ago
        I guess I have to tinker with the palette. Thought I didn't have to when the terminal supports a lot of colors.
    - alex_smart 5y ago
      https://i.imgur.com/TFTOj8Z.png https://i.imgur.com/TFTOj8Z.png This is with the default spacemacs theme. Can you tell which one is the terminal and which one the GUI? https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/efaq/Colors-on-a-TTY.html https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/efaq/Col... Emacs does have the feature you want. Perhaps your setup wasn't supported. Which terminal/os were you on?
      - pdimitar 5y ago
        Ouch. macOS with iTerm2 and then Alacritty. Now I am even more confused why it doesn't work well for me.
        alex_smart 5y ago
        >why it doesn't work well for me Possible reasons: 1. (macOS + inside terminal) isn't a common workflow for emacs contributors, or perhaps for people with that workflow working with 256 colors isn't an issue 2. people who want that workflow who care about having 24 bit colors didn't bother to file a bug report (did you?) Bitter pill, but I hope it helps: as a beginner to an ecosystem, if you are going to be opinioniated about having an unusual workflow, you are always going to run into problems. If you are running Emacs locally, just run it in GUI mode, that's what most people do.
        pdimitar 5y ago
        I do run Emacs in GUI mode and it's embarrassingly slow due to various factors I gradually managed to pinpoint: 1. 5K retina display (other Mac owners seem to share the experience) 2. A font with a lot of graphemes (those without emoji seem to render faster) 3. The synchronous nature of LSP; I still don't get it why LSP can't work asynchronously in Emacs -- it does in VIM. Hence me asking about terminal mode where it also works rather confusingly to me (I mean the colors). > (macOS + inside terminal) isn't a common workflow for emacs contributors As a guy who worked on OSS before -- and wants to do it again -- I am never feeling entitled to other people's work. I just wonder why those scenarios are supported in the first place (if no contributors are interested in making them work well). > as a beginner to an ecosystem, if you are going to be opinioniated about having an unusual workflow, you are always going to run into problems Fair enough and I don't think it's a bitter pill at all, I appreciate the feedback. But again, I am wondering why the supposedly first-class option (GUI) is also having problems. :( > 2. people who want that workflow who care about having 24 bit colors didn't bother to file a bug report (did you?) I wouldn't even know where to begin. The whole community and ecosystem seem extremely foreign to me and I never even got as far as to find a bug report template (admittedly I didn't try very hard). There's just something... alienating about this community, especially Emacs devs. Maybe I am wrong, I hope I am wrong but, just an accumulated feeling. In any case, the reason I am getting a bit ticked off is that Emacs is supposedly hugely popular. I'd expect a 5K screen and some richer fonts to not trip it but perhaps you're right that macOS isn't a focus.
- alex_smart 5y ago
  >lost like half the syntax coloring Spacemacs's default theme works quite well in the terminal. Of course, when you are mapping a theme designed for a colorspace with millions of colors to one with 256 colors, there might some issues, but that is to be expected. If even trying a different theme is too much of an effort for you, why in God's name are you wasting your time on an editor whose main USP is customizability?
  - pdimitar 5y ago
    Because I had no idea Emacs is about that when I started (loooooong ago, almost 20 years ago) and by the time I found out I was already burned out. Sigh. But I'll make time to migrate away, seems like it's time.

Ah, I mean vanilla Spacemacs. :D I also meant I barely changed it, nothing more. Hence why I was baffled that switching to terminal mode lost like half the syntax coloring. :|

Jtsummers 5y ago
https://develop.spacemacs.org/doc/FAQ.html#why-does-my-color-theme-not-render-correctly-in-terminal-mode https://develop.spacemacs.org/doc/FAQ.html#why-does-my-color... Seems like an appropriate FAQ item.
- pdimitar 5y ago
  Well okay, fair enough but it doesn't actually solve the problem. Modern terminals can render basically all colors your DE / display supports so I am not sure why there isn't a check for that and utilize the feature if it's there.
  - Jtsummers 5y ago
    You'll need to make sure that your terminal actually supports the variety of colors that emacs is emitting and that your terminal palette matches your emacs GUI color palette. Emacs can't magically switch your terminal from a 16-color mode to 256-colors, or change the palette.
    - pdimitar 5y ago
      I guess I have to tinker with the palette. Thought I didn't have to when the terminal supports a lot of colors.
  - alex_smart 5y ago
    https://i.imgur.com/TFTOj8Z.png https://i.imgur.com/TFTOj8Z.png This is with the default spacemacs theme. Can you tell which one is the terminal and which one the GUI? https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/efaq/Colors-on-a-TTY.html https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/efaq/Col... Emacs does have the feature you want. Perhaps your setup wasn't supported. Which terminal/os were you on?
    - pdimitar 5y ago
      Ouch. macOS with iTerm2 and then Alacritty. Now I am even more confused why it doesn't work well for me.
      - alex_smart 5y ago
        >why it doesn't work well for me Possible reasons: 1. (macOS + inside terminal) isn't a common workflow for emacs contributors, or perhaps for people with that workflow working with 256 colors isn't an issue 2. people who want that workflow who care about having 24 bit colors didn't bother to file a bug report (did you?) Bitter pill, but I hope it helps: as a beginner to an ecosystem, if you are going to be opinioniated about having an unusual workflow, you are always going to run into problems. If you are running Emacs locally, just run it in GUI mode, that's what most people do.
        pdimitar 5y ago
        I do run Emacs in GUI mode and it's embarrassingly slow due to various factors I gradually managed to pinpoint: 1. 5K retina display (other Mac owners seem to share the experience) 2. A font with a lot of graphemes (those without emoji seem to render faster) 3. The synchronous nature of LSP; I still don't get it why LSP can't work asynchronously in Emacs -- it does in VIM. Hence me asking about terminal mode where it also works rather confusingly to me (I mean the colors). > (macOS + inside terminal) isn't a common workflow for emacs contributors As a guy who worked on OSS before -- and wants to do it again -- I am never feeling entitled to other people's work. I just wonder why those scenarios are supported in the first place (if no contributors are interested in making them work well). > as a beginner to an ecosystem, if you are going to be opinioniated about having an unusual workflow, you are always going to run into problems Fair enough and I don't think it's a bitter pill at all, I appreciate the feedback. But again, I am wondering why the supposedly first-class option (GUI) is also having problems. :( > 2. people who want that workflow who care about having 24 bit colors didn't bother to file a bug report (did you?) I wouldn't even know where to begin. The whole community and ecosystem seem extremely foreign to me and I never even got as far as to find a bug report template (admittedly I didn't try very hard). There's just something... alienating about this community, especially Emacs devs. Maybe I am wrong, I hope I am wrong but, just an accumulated feeling. In any case, the reason I am getting a bit ticked off is that Emacs is supposedly hugely popular. I'd expect a 5K screen and some richer fonts to not trip it but perhaps you're right that macOS isn't a focus.
alex_smart 5y ago
>lost like half the syntax coloring Spacemacs's default theme works quite well in the terminal. Of course, when you are mapping a theme designed for a colorspace with millions of colors to one with 256 colors, there might some issues, but that is to be expected. If even trying a different theme is too much of an effort for you, why in God's name are you wasting your time on an editor whose main USP is customizability?
- pdimitar 5y ago
  Because I had no idea Emacs is about that when I started (loooooong ago, almost 20 years ago) and by the time I found out I was already burned out. Sigh. But I'll make time to migrate away, seems like it's time.