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Remember when the previous administration was ridiculed for suggesting the massive forest fires were largely caused by forest mismanagement and that artificiall

Remember when the previous administration was ridiculed for suggesting the massive forest fires were largely caused by forest mismanagement and that artificially preventing burns would only make it worse? [0] Oddly enough, everyone laughed too when the same administration suggested the lab leak hypothesis... [0] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/09/14/trump-california-oregon-wildfires-result-forest-management/5791302002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/09/14/trum...

telchar 5y ago
Credibility matters. Denying the big problem exists in spite of an overwhelming consensus results in being distrusted and ridiculed when (perhaps rightly) playing up a small problem over the big problem in a particular space. Likewise no one cares to listen to people who refuse to get vaccinated or do anything at all to reduce spread of a disease when those same people want to talk about whether the disease made a trip through a lab on it's way to the general population.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > Credibility matters People attack credibility when they can't refute the facts! > Likewise no one cares to listen to people who refuse to get vaccinated or do anything at all to reduce spread of a disease when those same people want to talk about whether the disease made a trip through a lab on it's way to the general population. Of course, remember it was forbidden to mention the lab leak hypothesis on mainstream social media. They banned people for that.
tayo42 5y ago
That's a disingenuous way to interpret this. nothing in that article is denying that forrest management is a problem. There's even a quote in there where Newsome acknowledged that is part of the problem. That admin wanted to do everything they could to down play climate change anyway they can. People were talking abuut forrest management before Trump said we need to rake our forrests in 2020 this was a big thing after the fires in 2017
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  From the article: > "Please respect, and I know you do, the difference of opinion out here as it relates to this fundamental issue ... of climate change,” Newsom said. I don't see this as a disingenuis way to interpret it. Summarizing - OP's point is that we ridiculed previous administration for suggesting that forest mismanagement played a larger role in California fires. Newsom, as quoted above, was suggesting that Climate Change is the primary reason. No where in the article does it say that previous administration only blamed forest mismanagement. They said that likely the larger role is played by forest mismanagement. Furthermore, Newsom claims "Fundamental" issue. Meaning, it is the (sole?) basis for forest fires.
  - tayo42 5y ago
    Right before that line During a briefing with Trump, California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, told him forest management is an issue, but "climate change is real, and that is exacerbating this." And it's true, Winters are drier summer is hotter. Trump is ridiculed because he talks like an idiot and denies climate change. No one denies that forrest management is a problem. it was a huge blaming thing for a couple years because the federal government actually maintains most of it. Remeber all of this?
    - systemvoltage 5y ago
      I am not defending Trump which you appear to be arguing for. I agree that Trump says the most ridiculous things. All I am trying to do is to stay somewhat objective. I clearly recall how the entire media instantly discredited him for mentioning forest mismanagement. I've seen time and again as a liberal how we get into mob thinking and seldom criticize ourselves or look at things objectively.
      - tayo42 5y ago
        Your misrembering then. He was ridiculed for sounding like an idiot when he talks, and also being responsible for the land he criticized. back in 2016 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-managing-its-forests-president-managing-its-federal-lands-n942581 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-managing-its... He's criticized for being an asshole https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/11/politics/california-wildfires-trump-tweets/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/11/politics/california-wildfires... https://www.factcheck.org/2019/11/trump-again-misunderstands-californias-wildfires/ https://www.factcheck.org/2019/11/trump-again-misunderstands...
ceejayoz 5y ago
I think they were ridiculed for the later parts of that article. > When Wade Crowfoot, California secretary for natural resources – identified climate change as the primary cause of the wildfires, Trump interrupted: "It'll start getting cooler – you just watch." > "I wish science agreed with you," Crowfoot told the president. > Trump responded, "I don't think science knows, actually."
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bcrosby95 5y ago
I ridiculed him because the state of California owns less than 10% of their forests, whereas the federal government owns over 50% of California's forests. He was in control of the land he claims California is mismanaging. The guy is a fucking idiot.
cratermoon 5y ago
The problem was not that the previous occupant of the Oval Office mentioned forest mismanagement, the problem was that his idea of proper management was to rake the leaves.

telchar 5y ago

Credibility matters. Denying the big problem exists in spite of an overwhelming consensus results in being distrusted and ridiculed when (perhaps rightly) playing up a small problem over the big problem in a particular space. Likewise no one cares to listen to people who refuse to get vaccinated or do anything at all to reduce spread of a disease when those same people want to talk about whether the disease made a trip through a lab on it's way to the general population.

908B64B197 5y ago
> Credibility matters People attack credibility when they can't refute the facts! > Likewise no one cares to listen to people who refuse to get vaccinated or do anything at all to reduce spread of a disease when those same people want to talk about whether the disease made a trip through a lab on it's way to the general population. Of course, remember it was forbidden to mention the lab leak hypothesis on mainstream social media. They banned people for that.

tayo42 5y ago

That's a disingenuous way to interpret this. nothing in that article is denying that forrest management is a problem. There's even a quote in there where Newsome acknowledged that is part of the problem. That admin wanted to do everything they could to down play climate change anyway they can. People were talking abuut forrest management before Trump said we need to rake our forrests in 2020 this was a big thing after the fires in 2017

systemvoltage 5y ago
From the article: > "Please respect, and I know you do, the difference of opinion out here as it relates to this fundamental issue ... of climate change,” Newsom said. I don't see this as a disingenuis way to interpret it. Summarizing - OP's point is that we ridiculed previous administration for suggesting that forest mismanagement played a larger role in California fires. Newsom, as quoted above, was suggesting that Climate Change is the primary reason. No where in the article does it say that previous administration only blamed forest mismanagement. They said that likely the larger role is played by forest mismanagement. Furthermore, Newsom claims "Fundamental" issue. Meaning, it is the (sole?) basis for forest fires.
- tayo42 5y ago
  Right before that line During a briefing with Trump, California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, told him forest management is an issue, but "climate change is real, and that is exacerbating this." And it's true, Winters are drier summer is hotter. Trump is ridiculed because he talks like an idiot and denies climate change. No one denies that forrest management is a problem. it was a huge blaming thing for a couple years because the federal government actually maintains most of it. Remeber all of this?
  - systemvoltage 5y ago
    I am not defending Trump which you appear to be arguing for. I agree that Trump says the most ridiculous things. All I am trying to do is to stay somewhat objective. I clearly recall how the entire media instantly discredited him for mentioning forest mismanagement. I've seen time and again as a liberal how we get into mob thinking and seldom criticize ourselves or look at things objectively.
    - tayo42 5y ago
      Your misrembering then. He was ridiculed for sounding like an idiot when he talks, and also being responsible for the land he criticized. back in 2016 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-managing-its-forests-president-managing-its-federal-lands-n942581 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-managing-its... He's criticized for being an asshole https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/11/politics/california-wildfires-trump-tweets/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/11/politics/california-wildfires... https://www.factcheck.org/2019/11/trump-again-misunderstands-californias-wildfires/ https://www.factcheck.org/2019/11/trump-again-misunderstands...

ceejayoz 5y ago

I think they were ridiculed for the later parts of that article. > When Wade Crowfoot, California secretary for natural resources – identified climate change as the primary cause of the wildfires, Trump interrupted: "It'll start getting cooler – you just watch." > "I wish science agreed with you," Crowfoot told the president. > Trump responded, "I don't think science knows, actually."

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bcrosby95 5y ago

I ridiculed him because the state of California owns less than 10% of their forests, whereas the federal government owns over 50% of California's forests. He was in control of the land he claims California is mismanaging. The guy is a fucking idiot.

cratermoon 5y ago

The problem was not that the previous occupant of the Oval Office mentioned forest mismanagement, the problem was that his idea of proper management was to rake the leaves.