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> With the vaccine, and even if new variants appear, the number of people having to go to the hospital will plummet. I mean, I think Delta (at least in the US,

> With the vaccine, and even if new variants appear, the number of people having to go to the hospital will plummet. I mean, I think Delta (at least in the US, I won't speak to/for other countries) has proven this incorrect since we have multiple instances of hospitals filling up right now even though (IIRC) we just hit the 70% first shot mark (for 18+). Also we haven't yet, and I hope we never, see a variant that not only causes lots of breakthrough cases but also results in higher rates of hospitalization/ICU/vent/death even for the vaccinated. What we can't afford is to continue to put up with the unvaccinated. My state, just a few hours ago, announced that 70%+ of our hospitals are now collectively going to require the vaccination to continue working there and it's my fervent hope that more and more private sector companies do the same (as have at least a few major manufactures in my state). I'd actually prefer to see something akin to what NY just did. I understand the privacy concerns with having to prove vaccination status but the alternative (what we did for the last 1.5 years+) is not something I'm willing to put up. I'm so incredibly tired of having the people who refuse to do the bare minimum drag the rest of us down.

ghaff 5y ago
The floodgates on private employer requirements seem to be opening pretty rapidly. Two in-person tech conferences I plan to attend in the fall are both requiring vaccinations to attend. It seems especially reasonable when going somewhere (like a conference or an office that allows continued WFH) is pretty much optional. Of course, it's more complicated if, say, you're in sales and it's customers who impose the requirement.
exegete 5y ago
The 70% with one shot is weighted to areas like Northeast and hospitals filling up is in Southern US. Averaging those stats over the entire US misses that aspect.
- joshstrange 5y ago
  Yes, that is correct. I was trying to use the most favorable interpretation of the data in my reply but yes, it’s closer to 50% (at least fully) in most places. My state included.

ghaff 5y ago

The floodgates on private employer requirements seem to be opening pretty rapidly. Two in-person tech conferences I plan to attend in the fall are both requiring vaccinations to attend. It seems especially reasonable when going somewhere (like a conference or an office that allows continued WFH) is pretty much optional. Of course, it's more complicated if, say, you're in sales and it's customers who impose the requirement.

exegete 5y ago

The 70% with one shot is weighted to areas like Northeast and hospitals filling up is in Southern US. Averaging those stats over the entire US misses that aspect.

joshstrange 5y ago
Yes, that is correct. I was trying to use the most favorable interpretation of the data in my reply but yes, it’s closer to 50% (at least fully) in most places. My state included.