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Previous discussion at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28068741 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28068741

by robbiet480 5y ago

ComputerGuru 5y ago
Which would still be on the front page given how many upvotes it had if people hadn’t, for some reason, flagged it.
- Telemakhos 5y ago
  The previous discussion was based on a few Tweets. This is Apple's information release, and it is more specific. For me, the first thing on Apple's release is the most important: that they will begin censoring Messages content for all possible nudity, not just hashed CSAM, when the recipient is a minor. That's a step beyond the earlier discussion. Perhaps this same approach can also soon be applied to filtering out the lies and misinformation of the enemies of the Party and to disrupt Emmanuel Goldstein's networks of treasonous domestic terrorists. After all, such misinformation is a plain harm and danger to IngSoc. That Apple is willing to eliminate nudity in private messages gives hope that the Party will soon be able to free all society from doubleplusungood differenthink.
  - ComputerGuru 5y ago
    The additional information is good reason for this post to also be on the front page. It is not a reason to flag the original and bury that discussion.
  - kyralis 5y ago
    Did you actually read the release? They will pop a warning when the minor sender attempts to send something that is flagged as nudity, or the minor receiver receives something that is, if enabled as part of parental controls for the account. It's opt-in for the account. The CSAM scanning is different, unrelated to the age of account holder, is a condition of iCloud Photos usage only, and is not opt-in (and the only opt-out is to not use iCloud Photos).
    - Mindwipe 5y ago
      That feels tremendously easy to abuse. As an obvious vector - an abusive husband can set up the account on their partners phone, set them up with a child account and "check" they are not sending anything suggestive. And we have no idea how reliable the scanning is for the sexting piece. A false positive notification could easily get some beaten, even possibly killed. Scanning against a known database of material uploaded to iCloud didn't sound too terrible for me, but this sexting feature is incredibly dangerous.
  - Macha 5y ago
    Let's loop back in an hour and see if this post is still on the front page. I suspect it will have a front page worthy number of votes, but will not be there
    - Macha 5y ago
      33 minutes and it's already off the front page with 161 votes in one hour, compared to items on the front page with 167 votes in 5 hours or 24 votes in one hour. No official source is protecting this one from users flagging it off the front page.
- echelon 5y ago
  This is what happens when you abandon individualism and replace it with corporate worship. When you make brands a part of your identity, you can't think about the real world damage being done. If you're on the fence about Apple, and their lockdown of free and open computing wasn't enough, or their strong arming of the mobile commerce economy didn't do it, please let this sink in. This is where we're headed. 1984 is a plausible future. Stop buying Apple and ask your representatives to break up the monopolies. This order came from the FBI and intelligence communities (and probably the CCP and respective organs in China). Not all US lawmakers are beholden to this abuse of power, and they can help us put an end to it. Call them. And stop buying Apple. Fight for your democracy and freedom, lest it be completely wrested from us.
hoppyhoppy2 5y ago
Also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28075021 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28075021

Previous discussion at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28068741 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28068741

ComputerGuru 5y ago

Which would still be on the front page given how many upvotes it had if people hadn’t, for some reason, flagged it.

Telemakhos 5y ago
The previous discussion was based on a few Tweets. This is Apple's information release, and it is more specific. For me, the first thing on Apple's release is the most important: that they will begin censoring Messages content for all possible nudity, not just hashed CSAM, when the recipient is a minor. That's a step beyond the earlier discussion. Perhaps this same approach can also soon be applied to filtering out the lies and misinformation of the enemies of the Party and to disrupt Emmanuel Goldstein's networks of treasonous domestic terrorists. After all, such misinformation is a plain harm and danger to IngSoc. That Apple is willing to eliminate nudity in private messages gives hope that the Party will soon be able to free all society from doubleplusungood differenthink.
- ComputerGuru 5y ago
  The additional information is good reason for this post to also be on the front page. It is not a reason to flag the original and bury that discussion.
- kyralis 5y ago
  Did you actually read the release? They will pop a warning when the minor sender attempts to send something that is flagged as nudity, or the minor receiver receives something that is, if enabled as part of parental controls for the account. It's opt-in for the account. The CSAM scanning is different, unrelated to the age of account holder, is a condition of iCloud Photos usage only, and is not opt-in (and the only opt-out is to not use iCloud Photos).
  - Mindwipe 5y ago
    That feels tremendously easy to abuse. As an obvious vector - an abusive husband can set up the account on their partners phone, set them up with a child account and "check" they are not sending anything suggestive. And we have no idea how reliable the scanning is for the sexting piece. A false positive notification could easily get some beaten, even possibly killed. Scanning against a known database of material uploaded to iCloud didn't sound too terrible for me, but this sexting feature is incredibly dangerous.
- Macha 5y ago
  Let's loop back in an hour and see if this post is still on the front page. I suspect it will have a front page worthy number of votes, but will not be there
  - Macha 5y ago
    33 minutes and it's already off the front page with 161 votes in one hour, compared to items on the front page with 167 votes in 5 hours or 24 votes in one hour. No official source is protecting this one from users flagging it off the front page.
echelon 5y ago
This is what happens when you abandon individualism and replace it with corporate worship. When you make brands a part of your identity, you can't think about the real world damage being done. If you're on the fence about Apple, and their lockdown of free and open computing wasn't enough, or their strong arming of the mobile commerce economy didn't do it, please let this sink in. This is where we're headed. 1984 is a plausible future. Stop buying Apple and ask your representatives to break up the monopolies. This order came from the FBI and intelligence communities (and probably the CCP and respective organs in China). Not all US lawmakers are beholden to this abuse of power, and they can help us put an end to it. Call them. And stop buying Apple. Fight for your democracy and freedom, lest it be completely wrested from us.

hoppyhoppy2 5y ago

Also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28075021 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28075021