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What, you don't think your employer should control your medical decisions?? /s Its amazing to me how people have thrown their bodily autonomy out the window wh

What, you don't think your employer should control your medical decisions?? /s Its amazing to me how people have thrown their bodily autonomy out the window when there is suddenly a new risk.

ketzo 5y ago
I love that the conversation is always around personal "bodily autonomy" despite the fact that your decision to not get vaccinated affects every single other person with whom you come into contact. Freedom of speech doesn't cover shouting "fire" in a crowded movie theatre. Personal liberty at the expense of the liberty of others is a sick joke, and to pretend that the vaccine conversation is anything else is hysterically naive. People do have an autonomous choice: get your shot, or find another way to stop endangering those around you.
- rolobio 5y ago
  First, you can yell fire in a crowded theatre. What if there really is a fire? Alcohol kills plenty of people each year, and often it’s not the drinker. Should we ban alcohol? (I hear you, but employers can ban drinking at work!) Sure, but the equivalent would be forcing someone to not drink outside of work. After all, can you turn the vaccine off when you leave the office? I’m fine with an employer mandating masks, they can be removed after your shift. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_the...
0xEFF 5y ago
It’s normal that most people prioritize the social responsibility to prevent the spread of a deadly virus.
- rolobio 5y ago
  Ive already had covid. I am immune and don’t spread it. I already meet your requirements. But why must I go further and modify my body unnecessarily?
  - 0xEFF 5y ago
    Because we don’t know if you’re immune. We do know vaccines help even for those who have contracted the virus. Therefore, it’s necessary for you to get vaccinated.
    - rolobio 5y ago
      Do you mean, we don't know if I'm immune but spreading, or can't prove that I'm immune (no negative test)? Assuming the first, I guess we'll have to wait for the data. Assuming the second, I haven't ever been assumed sick until proven healthy. I've been sick many times in my life, and I voluntarily self-isolate to protect others. But suddenly this is considered selfish. I must prove health or be exiled until I conform. Are you not worried about losing your freedom? Or was this a freedom you never valued? The specific freedom I mean was choosing what goes in your body. Thank you for your honest response. Most people just downvote and scroll on.
greedo 5y ago
Are you allowed to drive on the job when under medication? The US military gives a huge number of vaccines to its servicemen and woman. Lots of companies require periodic drug tests. Airlines definitely restrict you. The list goes on and on.

What, you don't think your employer should control your medical decisions?? /s Its amazing to me how people have thrown their bodily autonomy out the window when there is suddenly a new risk.

ketzo 5y ago

I love that the conversation is always around personal "bodily autonomy" despite the fact that your decision to not get vaccinated affects every single other person with whom you come into contact. Freedom of speech doesn't cover shouting "fire" in a crowded movie theatre. Personal liberty at the expense of the liberty of others is a sick joke, and to pretend that the vaccine conversation is anything else is hysterically naive. People do have an autonomous choice: get your shot, or find another way to stop endangering those around you.

rolobio 5y ago
First, you can yell fire in a crowded theatre. What if there really is a fire? Alcohol kills plenty of people each year, and often it’s not the drinker. Should we ban alcohol? (I hear you, but employers can ban drinking at work!) Sure, but the equivalent would be forcing someone to not drink outside of work. After all, can you turn the vaccine off when you leave the office? I’m fine with an employer mandating masks, they can be removed after your shift. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_the...

0xEFF 5y ago

It’s normal that most people prioritize the social responsibility to prevent the spread of a deadly virus.

rolobio 5y ago
Ive already had covid. I am immune and don’t spread it. I already meet your requirements. But why must I go further and modify my body unnecessarily?
- 0xEFF 5y ago
  Because we don’t know if you’re immune. We do know vaccines help even for those who have contracted the virus. Therefore, it’s necessary for you to get vaccinated.
  - rolobio 5y ago
    Do you mean, we don't know if I'm immune but spreading, or can't prove that I'm immune (no negative test)? Assuming the first, I guess we'll have to wait for the data. Assuming the second, I haven't ever been assumed sick until proven healthy. I've been sick many times in my life, and I voluntarily self-isolate to protect others. But suddenly this is considered selfish. I must prove health or be exiled until I conform. Are you not worried about losing your freedom? Or was this a freedom you never valued? The specific freedom I mean was choosing what goes in your body. Thank you for your honest response. Most people just downvote and scroll on.

greedo 5y ago

Are you allowed to drive on the job when under medication? The US military gives a huge number of vaccines to its servicemen and woman. Lots of companies require periodic drug tests. Airlines definitely restrict you. The list goes on and on.