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> Different kinds of calibre guns I'm sorry but you aren't paying attention to recent developments. Chinese trolls are attaching themselves to wedge issues in

> Different kinds of calibre guns I'm sorry but you aren't paying attention to recent developments. Chinese trolls are attaching themselves to wedge issues in the US culture war (guns, BLM, etc.) in the same way Russia did, as a strategy of general harm. Also vaccine related disinfo isn't general/vague or long term in it's harm, it's doing real damage today. https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-china-trolls-dubbed-spamouflage-dragon-flood-social-media-with-anti-us-propaganda-says-graphika-report https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-china-trolls-dubbed-spamou... > My general feeling of the "coordinated pro-CCP" phenomenon is that there are many pro-China diaspora in western platforms whose threshold for engaging anti-China pieces is to downvote and move on. The more that China diaspora see any criticism of the Chinese Government as criticism of themselves, the wider and more difficult to bridge the gap becomes. > IMO most do it for themselves for tribalism, which is natural behaviour. That was my point, everyone has a bit of nationalist in them. But the behavior i've observed from Chinese nationalists far out paces anything else i've seen. I fear the consequences of this trend, as if the Chinese government decides to start making more overt their current campaign of covert aggression, most Chinese will simple fall in line as they've been conditioned to do for the past decade. > accessing western internet is not some verboten activity like many westerners envisions it to be, it's entertainment. As long as your don't say the wrong thing, of course. https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-is-now-sending-twitter-users-to-prison-for-posts-most-chinese-cant-see-11611932917 https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-is-now-sending-twitter-us... I've seen a lot of westerners in HK, China, etc. take a blasé attitude towards crackdowns because they are convinced they are safe (which is mostly accurate). You do not and should not speak for natives in this regard. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3143207/my-home-hong-kongs-foreign-residents-say-they-have-no-plans https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3143207/... Re: VPNS, according to my friends in the mainland VPN's are becoming more and more unreliable. This is purposeful.

dirtyid 5y ago
>paying attention to recent developments I follow the subject closely. The "no intent to kill" pertains to scope of Chinese influence operations, in terms of harm they're minimal relative to other actors. IRC the dailybeast link was about PRC trolls mocking lockdown skepticism, listening to them would have helped not harmed. These events do not occuring in void, PRC/US responds to each other's disinformation efforts. And will continue to, that's expected, what's unexpected IMO is PRC isn't pushing propaganda nearly that hard according to recent analysis. >bridge the gap becomes No one's figured out a solution to tribalism. Much of the "blame CCP but not Chinese people '' narrative out there does not feel genuine, doubting western criticisms is not misplaced. Which overlooks the point that the propaganda environment with competing antithetical claims is designed to fracture. The more absurd narrative west feeds their populus, which diaspora sees through, the more the gap continues to widen. >should not speak for natives in this regard ... >VPN's are becoming more and more unreliable Why not? I follow developments in PRC cyber policy and deal with it myself back and forth. I didn't claim it was safe to conduct anti-state activities, even nationalists get punished for using VPN occasionally. Overall it's fine, like torrenting. Sometimes copyright letters get sent out to unsuspecting victims, but most people slide by. VPN more unreliable, especially leading up to CCP centennial, but seems like there's more Chinese nationalists trolling abroad than ever, and since current analysis suggest CCP coordinated disinfo is not large, it's fair to presume whatever VPN and cyber policies changes, it hasn't substantially impeded PRC ability to interact with abroad. To circle back on topic, the condition is such that lots of genuine PRC voices are making it’s way over the GFC, but not vice versa. That’s just unfortunate asymmetry between open and close internet, and it’s a problem west needs to deal with, so far strategy seems to be maligning PRC voices as inauthentic shills / 50c with the aim of discrediting pro-China or anti-west opinions. Narrative has been manufactured to the point where PRC discussions in many spaces online are saturated with useful idiots calling for bans of pro-China opinions because it must be state funded 50c activity. Like why even highlight the two anti-BBC replies above, lots of people, especially diaspora from the global south, do not trust the FVEY media machine, it's staple compaint in variety of reporting on IR news.

dirtyid 5y ago

>paying attention to recent developments I follow the subject closely. The "no intent to kill" pertains to scope of Chinese influence operations, in terms of harm they're minimal relative to other actors. IRC the dailybeast link was about PRC trolls mocking lockdown skepticism, listening to them would have helped not harmed. These events do not occuring in void, PRC/US responds to each other's disinformation efforts. And will continue to, that's expected, what's unexpected IMO is PRC isn't pushing propaganda nearly that hard according to recent analysis. >bridge the gap becomes No one's figured out a solution to tribalism. Much of the "blame CCP but not Chinese people '' narrative out there does not feel genuine, doubting western criticisms is not misplaced. Which overlooks the point that the propaganda environment with competing antithetical claims is designed to fracture. The more absurd narrative west feeds their populus, which diaspora sees through, the more the gap continues to widen. >should not speak for natives in this regard ... >VPN's are becoming more and more unreliable Why not? I follow developments in PRC cyber policy and deal with it myself back and forth. I didn't claim it was safe to conduct anti-state activities, even nationalists get punished for using VPN occasionally. Overall it's fine, like torrenting. Sometimes copyright letters get sent out to unsuspecting victims, but most people slide by. VPN more unreliable, especially leading up to CCP centennial, but seems like there's more Chinese nationalists trolling abroad than ever, and since current analysis suggest CCP coordinated disinfo is not large, it's fair to presume whatever VPN and cyber policies changes, it hasn't substantially impeded PRC ability to interact with abroad. To circle back on topic, the condition is such that lots of genuine PRC voices are making it’s way over the GFC, but not vice versa. That’s just unfortunate asymmetry between open and close internet, and it’s a problem west needs to deal with, so far strategy seems to be maligning PRC voices as inauthentic shills / 50c with the aim of discrediting pro-China or anti-west opinions. Narrative has been manufactured to the point where PRC discussions in many spaces online are saturated with useful idiots calling for bans of pro-China opinions because it must be state funded 50c activity. Like why even highlight the two anti-BBC replies above, lots of people, especially diaspora from the global south, do not trust the FVEY media machine, it's staple compaint in variety of reporting on IR news.