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I disagree, and I'm surprised the White House isn't trying to work with big employers to try to get them to mandate the vaccine. That would get a huge chunk of

I disagree, and I'm surprised the White House isn't trying to work with big employers to try to get them to mandate the vaccine. That would get a huge chunk of the population. Not many are going to quit their job over a shot. Walmart, Kroger, Amazon, etc are some of the biggest employers in the US. You have to feel bad for Amazon Warehouse workers reading this headline though.

dbg31415 5y ago
Why wouldn't the federal government just mandate a vaccine? Putting it on employers is yet another sign of cowardice in our leadership. Each business shouldn't have to sort this out... it's too complex of an issue. If there's going to be a mandate, make a real mandate. People misunderstood my point. I don't think this should be on employers. I think that's bad for a lot of reasons. It should be on governments. BUT... bigger picture, it's not like these vaccine cards are hard to fake. I was vaccinated in March, but I have no way of proving that. I didn't bother to save my vaccine card. It was just a generic piece of paper with the company's logo and two hastily written vaccine lot numbers though. Again... nobody checked my ID. No real way to prove you were vaccinate. It's a mess. Should have tied stimulus grants to getting vaccinated. Should have set up a vaccine registration system. Nope... government fucked up, and is now passing the buck on to businesses. Let's say the vaccine does give us all tails in 20 years... can I sue my employer? I sure can. The government isn't even giving businesses any protection. Total joke. Worst possible way to do this on every front.
- partiallypro 5y ago
  > Why wouldn't the federal government just mandate a vaccine? Because it would never hold up in court? Even in countries outside the US their mandates are bordering on illegal. If the federal government mandated vaccines, who is going to enforce it anyhow? You can't. Local law enforcement is not under federal jurisdiction. Even if the Federal government had some sort of strong law enforcement arm, it wouldn't work. A lawsuit would immediately be filed, and at best it would go straight to SCOTUS and (rightfully) shot down or it would sit at trial for months/years. The easiest and best way is through employer mandates because 99% of people are not going to lose their job over a shot and they have total legal authority. Monetary incentives are vastly more legal and moral. To the contrary on your point, a federal mandate on all citizens is weak/awful leadership considering it would never work and would immediately be revoked by the courts. That decision would likely also be bipartisan. The same is probably going to happen with the eviction moratorium; Biden's extension is on incredibly shaky legal grounds and is probably going to be overturned.

dbg31415 5y ago

Why wouldn't the federal government just mandate a vaccine? Putting it on employers is yet another sign of cowardice in our leadership. Each business shouldn't have to sort this out... it's too complex of an issue. If there's going to be a mandate, make a real mandate. People misunderstood my point. I don't think this should be on employers. I think that's bad for a lot of reasons. It should be on governments. BUT... bigger picture, it's not like these vaccine cards are hard to fake. I was vaccinated in March, but I have no way of proving that. I didn't bother to save my vaccine card. It was just a generic piece of paper with the company's logo and two hastily written vaccine lot numbers though. Again... nobody checked my ID. No real way to prove you were vaccinate. It's a mess. Should have tied stimulus grants to getting vaccinated. Should have set up a vaccine registration system. Nope... government fucked up, and is now passing the buck on to businesses. Let's say the vaccine does give us all tails in 20 years... can I sue my employer? I sure can. The government isn't even giving businesses any protection. Total joke. Worst possible way to do this on every front.

partiallypro 5y ago
> Why wouldn't the federal government just mandate a vaccine? Because it would never hold up in court? Even in countries outside the US their mandates are bordering on illegal. If the federal government mandated vaccines, who is going to enforce it anyhow? You can't. Local law enforcement is not under federal jurisdiction. Even if the Federal government had some sort of strong law enforcement arm, it wouldn't work. A lawsuit would immediately be filed, and at best it would go straight to SCOTUS and (rightfully) shot down or it would sit at trial for months/years. The easiest and best way is through employer mandates because 99% of people are not going to lose their job over a shot and they have total legal authority. Monetary incentives are vastly more legal and moral. To the contrary on your point, a federal mandate on all citizens is weak/awful leadership considering it would never work and would immediately be revoked by the courts. That decision would likely also be bipartisan. The same is probably going to happen with the eviction moratorium; Biden's extension is on incredibly shaky legal grounds and is probably going to be overturned.