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They are going for the zero COVID strategy. Not that I condone it, but the whole idea is to keep their numbers as they are in your link. > Somehow the USA with

They are going for the zero COVID strategy. Not that I condone it, but the whole idea is to keep their numbers as they are in your link. > Somehow the USA with it's private system was able to scale and accommodate massive amounts of patients without collapse while these other countries were invoking the worlds longest lock downs and basically shutting down everything to try and save a healthcare system that barely functions under normal conditions (Canada as an example, visit any Toronto Hospital). I am not aware of any collapse faced by the public healthcare system in my country (Austria).

masklinn 5y ago
They’re stopping australian citizen living in other countries from leaving. How’s stopping Jack and Sheila from going back home in not australia doing anything for covid in australia? Unlike scotty they’re not leaving for two weeks on the seaside or ”stopping off” at the pub on a business trip, they’re going back to their job and obligations. It’s also completely untrue, the federal governmemt has bungled everything so far.
- IdiocyInAction 5y ago
  > How’s stopping Jack and Sheila from going back home in not australia doing anything for covid in australia? I don't know the exact intentions of the Australian government, but the rationale as outlined in the article is that it stops the "go abroad - catch COVID - come back" cycle at the first link. Again, I don't personally condone it.
  - masklinn 5y ago
    > the rationale as outlined in the article is that it stops the "go abroad - catch COVID - come back" cycle at the first link. These are not people going on holidays, they're not going to do that, which is why the rule did not apply to them. The article explains that these people had to justify their being residents of other countries to leave without a special authorisation. If you want to "0 COVID" you prevent them from coming back in as you do for non-australian residents, and you prevent australian residents from leaving without authorisation. > Again, I don't personally condone it. But you are certainly defending it.
  - FireBeyond 5y ago
    I'm an Australian citizen who has lived in the US for fifteen years. This law (and others) say that if I want to travel to see my elderly parents in Australia I have to: 1. be fully vaccinated (I am, have been since December) - not too unreasonable 2. quarantine upon my arrival for two weeks (inconvenient, but not unreasonable - unless they are on their deathbed, gravely ill, etc.) and adds this: 3. am prevented from leaving Australia unless I "prove" that I have permanent residence elsewhere (which makes little sense because as an Australian citizen, whether I do or don't, I'm still entitled, subject to points 1 and 2 above, to return at any time - for the same reason that Australia won't release my superannuation (401k-ish kinda thing) regardless of my residence elsewhere, "because as a citizen, I am entitled to return at any time, so that money needs to stay until the appropriate time").) Note that they talk about "obtaining exemptions", but there are multiple examples, including one in this article, where the government has stated "charter a plane for your trip, do not fly commercial" in order to obtain the exemption. Which makes one rule for the rich (and you have to be rich to charter a plane in general - even more so when most countries, with the exception of New Zealand, are at least an eight hour jet flight away, so this is not so much "charter a Cessna" as "charter a G450 or Global 6000" - hint, those aircraft are in the _five digit per flight hour_ charter range - Melbourne to LAX is probably a $100,000 flight, at best.

masklinn 5y ago

They’re stopping australian citizen living in other countries from leaving. How’s stopping Jack and Sheila from going back home in not australia doing anything for covid in australia? Unlike scotty they’re not leaving for two weeks on the seaside or ”stopping off” at the pub on a business trip, they’re going back to their job and obligations. It’s also completely untrue, the federal governmemt has bungled everything so far.

IdiocyInAction 5y ago
> How’s stopping Jack and Sheila from going back home in not australia doing anything for covid in australia? I don't know the exact intentions of the Australian government, but the rationale as outlined in the article is that it stops the "go abroad - catch COVID - come back" cycle at the first link. Again, I don't personally condone it.
- masklinn 5y ago
  > the rationale as outlined in the article is that it stops the "go abroad - catch COVID - come back" cycle at the first link. These are not people going on holidays, they're not going to do that, which is why the rule did not apply to them. The article explains that these people had to justify their being residents of other countries to leave without a special authorisation. If you want to "0 COVID" you prevent them from coming back in as you do for non-australian residents, and you prevent australian residents from leaving without authorisation. > Again, I don't personally condone it. But you are certainly defending it.
- FireBeyond 5y ago
  I'm an Australian citizen who has lived in the US for fifteen years. This law (and others) say that if I want to travel to see my elderly parents in Australia I have to: 1. be fully vaccinated (I am, have been since December) - not too unreasonable 2. quarantine upon my arrival for two weeks (inconvenient, but not unreasonable - unless they are on their deathbed, gravely ill, etc.) and adds this: 3. am prevented from leaving Australia unless I "prove" that I have permanent residence elsewhere (which makes little sense because as an Australian citizen, whether I do or don't, I'm still entitled, subject to points 1 and 2 above, to return at any time - for the same reason that Australia won't release my superannuation (401k-ish kinda thing) regardless of my residence elsewhere, "because as a citizen, I am entitled to return at any time, so that money needs to stay until the appropriate time").) Note that they talk about "obtaining exemptions", but there are multiple examples, including one in this article, where the government has stated "charter a plane for your trip, do not fly commercial" in order to obtain the exemption. Which makes one rule for the rich (and you have to be rich to charter a plane in general - even more so when most countries, with the exception of New Zealand, are at least an eight hour jet flight away, so this is not so much "charter a Cessna" as "charter a G450 or Global 6000" - hint, those aircraft are in the _five digit per flight hour_ charter range - Melbourne to LAX is probably a $100,000 flight, at best.