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I'm sorry but this "study" doesn't exist because it isn't true. The best purchasers and moviegoers may also be pirates, but overall the movie and music industr

by watty 15y ago

I'm sorry but this "study" doesn't exist because it isn't true. The best purchasers and moviegoers may also be pirates, but overall the movie and music industry would be making more money if it weren't for rampant pirating. I read a thread in Reddit the other day about this topic and there were a few people who thought pirating has caused them to make extra purchases (try before you buy). However, many more of the responses were opposite and some had completely stopped buying CDs, renting DVDs and going to the theater. So if one person rents a DVD every week and now pirates, there would have to be someone who rented 50 MORE DVDs (or purchased) than they would have had there been no pirating options. I agree there probably is a correlation between people who pirate heavily and people who purchase (because they're probably fanatics). However, I don't believe that they're heavy purchasers BECAUSE of pirating but would probably purchase even more if they didn't have the option to pirate.

nkassis 15y ago
So after reading the article I didn't see as piracy creates purchases but more as, there are people who just can't get enough and they buy and copy to satisfy themselves. Similar to drug addicts and the RIAA is similarly trying to keep on selling their stuff like a pusher. Sometimes those people aren't loyal and will get it somewhere else but they come back. Obviously there are other types of people. Most pirates I know or from similar threads on reddit and elsewhere that I saw who won't buy from iTunes or go to the movies would not even buy it even if they couldn't pirate the movie. They pirate stuff just for fun, they don't really care about the stuff enough to ever pay for it (or they can't pay for it and when they can maybe they will change their style.) Reformed pirates do exist. You are always going to have dead weight like them and the RIAA is wasting it's time going after them because those aren't the ones usually getting caught (they use whatever newest way to get the stuff which the RIAA has a hard time of tracking). What they do by suing is get the people who do both aka your customers. The average person who will buy and copy once in a while off crapy p2p software that should be called spy tools for the RIAA. But with the ease of use of iTunes and other such service, it's becoming a larger waste of time to copy then to get them from legally licensed sites. Amazon MP3 is lightyears easier than bittorent and that has converted a lot of people to paying. As for Movies, there currently isn't a good service out there (Netflix is ok but selection isn't that great) on par with the offerings for legal music sites.
roc 15y ago
> "overall the movie and music industry would be making more money if it weren't for rampant pirating." That's as unsupported an assertion as "pirates are their best customers".
- watty 15y ago
  I guess that's my point. My study is off of Reddit (and common sense) while their study which has unexpected results isn't being published.
jamesbritt 15y ago
So if one person rents a DVD every week and now pirates, there would have to be someone who rented 50 MORE DVDs (or purchased) than they would have had there been no pirating options. On what concrete evidence do you base this? Please don't tell me that every unauthorized copy would have been a sale or rental had unauthorized copying not been an option because I'm fairly certain you have no way of possibly knowing that. (If you do have a way of knowing that then I'm all ears as to your methods.)
tluyben2 15y ago
> I'm sorry but this "study" doesn't exist because it isn't true. All existing studies are true? Intentionally or not, many studies contain mostly false information for the benefit of some or all of the parties involved/referenced in the study.

by watty 15y ago

nkassis 15y ago

So after reading the article I didn't see as piracy creates purchases but more as, there are people who just can't get enough and they buy and copy to satisfy themselves. Similar to drug addicts and the RIAA is similarly trying to keep on selling their stuff like a pusher. Sometimes those people aren't loyal and will get it somewhere else but they come back. Obviously there are other types of people. Most pirates I know or from similar threads on reddit and elsewhere that I saw who won't buy from iTunes or go to the movies would not even buy it even if they couldn't pirate the movie. They pirate stuff just for fun, they don't really care about the stuff enough to ever pay for it (or they can't pay for it and when they can maybe they will change their style.) Reformed pirates do exist. You are always going to have dead weight like them and the RIAA is wasting it's time going after them because those aren't the ones usually getting caught (they use whatever newest way to get the stuff which the RIAA has a hard time of tracking). What they do by suing is get the people who do both aka your customers. The average person who will buy and copy once in a while off crapy p2p software that should be called spy tools for the RIAA. But with the ease of use of iTunes and other such service, it's becoming a larger waste of time to copy then to get them from legally licensed sites. Amazon MP3 is lightyears easier than bittorent and that has converted a lot of people to paying. As for Movies, there currently isn't a good service out there (Netflix is ok but selection isn't that great) on par with the offerings for legal music sites.

roc 15y ago

> "overall the movie and music industry would be making more money if it weren't for rampant pirating." That's as unsupported an assertion as "pirates are their best customers".

watty 15y ago
I guess that's my point. My study is off of Reddit (and common sense) while their study which has unexpected results isn't being published.

jamesbritt 15y ago

So if one person rents a DVD every week and now pirates, there would have to be someone who rented 50 MORE DVDs (or purchased) than they would have had there been no pirating options. On what concrete evidence do you base this? Please don't tell me that every unauthorized copy would have been a sale or rental had unauthorized copying not been an option because I'm fairly certain you have no way of possibly knowing that. (If you do have a way of knowing that then I'm all ears as to your methods.)

tluyben2 15y ago

> I'm sorry but this "study" doesn't exist because it isn't true. All existing studies are true? Intentionally or not, many studies contain mostly false information for the benefit of some or all of the parties involved/referenced in the study.