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> Yes, I'm probably in the minority in the Linux world, but Linux (KDE desktop) is easily the most productive for me Funny, I used to loathe KDE but I ended up

> Yes, I'm probably in the minority in the Linux world, but Linux (KDE desktop) is easily the most productive for me Funny, I used to loathe KDE but I ended up with it by default after trying out NixOS for the first time and... I haven't left. It's great. Just fabulous. I haven't felt the need to go back to a tiling WM yet, which I still find surprising...

dantondwa 5y ago
Same here. I used to use GNOME once upon a time, then switched to macOS, then after 5 years to Windows, and since this spring I’ve gone back to Linux, specifically Fedora with KDE. I find KDE to be fantastic. I’ve got most ergonomic setup I’ve ever used, there is really nothing to complain about it, including fantastic hidpi support. I’m really happy.
- ajklsdhfniuwehf 5y ago
  everyone ditched gnome as soon as their design head started to mandate "copy apple on everything, even the dumb things" i wasn't even too sad with them shipping features missing 90% of the old functionality while they got the code right, but doing that just to copy apple frivolous design choices was just too much.
liotier 5y ago
> Funny, I used to loathe KDE but I ended up with it by default after trying out NixOS for the first time and... I haven't left. It's great. Just fabulous. Same here: I was a long-time xfce user but, over the years, I found myself using more and more KDE applications. For a friend I setup a Debian with the default KDE environment... I ended up using that myself - with not too many tweaks I just love it: the defaults are sane and if I want to change anything I can ! Has KDE changed that much or have I changed ?
- dantondwa 5y ago
  I think KDE has changed that much. A lot of work has gone into fixing the small things and making the default saner. The solid technology behind it + all the usability fixes they’ve been working on in the last years have made it really shine. I think it’s the culmination of years of work, and I think it’s finally paying off (also the fact that Valve is officially working on KDE will give it even more momentum).
  - ognarb 5y ago
    There has been indeed a lot of changes in the last three years since Nate Graham started doing weekly update about all the stuff going on each week: https://pointieststick.com/ https://pointieststick.com/
- handrous 5y ago
  KDE has changed, and other environments have changed. Used to be I disliked KDE for 3 reasons: 1. it made me feel like I was Doing It Wrong and stuff sometimes didn't work if I didn't use K- programs for everything (and I disliked basically all of those), 2) it was the worst-performing and heaviest (disk, memory, everything) DE around, and 3) the config was insane, in a bad way—not that you could do it, but the GUI config manager was just a damn mess. 1 has improved a ton, 3 has improved a little, and 2 isn't true anymore—Gnome is much heavier and has terrible performance by comparison (try both on a resource-constrained device if you don't believe me). I wouldn't be surprised if XFCE has gotten a little heavier, too, so the difference between the two isn't so stark. Especially default installs of XFCE on some distros, which include a lot of extras.
indymike 5y ago
> I haven't felt the need to go back to a tiling WM yet Try out Khronkite... It's a script that makes KWin into a tiling WM. I'm using it now.
- xyzzy_plugh 5y ago
  But I don't even need it! Everything just works great! Super+arrow keys resize the window, I can even sequentially do super-left super-up to get a quarter tile. Alt-mouse to drag/resize, if I'm using a mouse at all. Easy to pin, shade, group, etc. It's snappy, does exactly what I expect nearly 100% of the time.
TomasBaneUK 5y ago
Why do people always have to discuss distros in every thread. Find a hobby and stop ricing.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  Kind of proves the point why next year is going to be the year of Linux desktop.
  - eitland 5y ago
    After seeing a salesman voluntarily using it and getting away with it at work, multiple influential devs using it both in my organization and at customera, meetings be held with Teams on Linux desktop at the client etc I have already declared year of Linux desktop on Oslo, Norway. Feels exactly like when Mac broke through 15 or so years ago: all the cool kids used it and advocated it, management wanted it and several people in IT preferred it and use it whenever they can get away with it.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      Until one needs to plug a laptop into a customer beamer on a critical sales meeting.
      - indymike 5y ago
        >plug a laptop into a customer beamer I've had presentations where the Macbook couldn't sync and the Kubuntu Dell rescued me. Linux video is massively better than a few years ago thanks to AMD drivers being fully open source.
        pjmlp 5y ago
        The same open source Radeon drivers that have dropped support for my netbook APU, downgraded to GL3.3 from GL 4.1 without hardware video decoding as previously provided by fglrx, while the Windows 8 drivers keep providing GL 4.1, DirectX 11 and hardware video decoding on Windows 10, on the same hardware.

dantondwa 5y ago

Same here. I used to use GNOME once upon a time, then switched to macOS, then after 5 years to Windows, and since this spring I’ve gone back to Linux, specifically Fedora with KDE. I find KDE to be fantastic. I’ve got most ergonomic setup I’ve ever used, there is really nothing to complain about it, including fantastic hidpi support. I’m really happy.

ajklsdhfniuwehf 5y ago
everyone ditched gnome as soon as their design head started to mandate "copy apple on everything, even the dumb things" i wasn't even too sad with them shipping features missing 90% of the old functionality while they got the code right, but doing that just to copy apple frivolous design choices was just too much.

liotier 5y ago

> Funny, I used to loathe KDE but I ended up with it by default after trying out NixOS for the first time and... I haven't left. It's great. Just fabulous. Same here: I was a long-time xfce user but, over the years, I found myself using more and more KDE applications. For a friend I setup a Debian with the default KDE environment... I ended up using that myself - with not too many tweaks I just love it: the defaults are sane and if I want to change anything I can ! Has KDE changed that much or have I changed ?

dantondwa 5y ago
I think KDE has changed that much. A lot of work has gone into fixing the small things and making the default saner. The solid technology behind it + all the usability fixes they’ve been working on in the last years have made it really shine. I think it’s the culmination of years of work, and I think it’s finally paying off (also the fact that Valve is officially working on KDE will give it even more momentum).
- ognarb 5y ago
  There has been indeed a lot of changes in the last three years since Nate Graham started doing weekly update about all the stuff going on each week: https://pointieststick.com/ https://pointieststick.com/
handrous 5y ago
KDE has changed, and other environments have changed. Used to be I disliked KDE for 3 reasons: 1. it made me feel like I was Doing It Wrong and stuff sometimes didn't work if I didn't use K- programs for everything (and I disliked basically all of those), 2) it was the worst-performing and heaviest (disk, memory, everything) DE around, and 3) the config was insane, in a bad way—not that you could do it, but the GUI config manager was just a damn mess. 1 has improved a ton, 3 has improved a little, and 2 isn't true anymore—Gnome is much heavier and has terrible performance by comparison (try both on a resource-constrained device if you don't believe me). I wouldn't be surprised if XFCE has gotten a little heavier, too, so the difference between the two isn't so stark. Especially default installs of XFCE on some distros, which include a lot of extras.

indymike 5y ago

> I haven't felt the need to go back to a tiling WM yet Try out Khronkite... It's a script that makes KWin into a tiling WM. I'm using it now.

xyzzy_plugh 5y ago
But I don't even need it! Everything just works great! Super+arrow keys resize the window, I can even sequentially do super-left super-up to get a quarter tile. Alt-mouse to drag/resize, if I'm using a mouse at all. Easy to pin, shade, group, etc. It's snappy, does exactly what I expect nearly 100% of the time.

TomasBaneUK 5y ago

Why do people always have to discuss distros in every thread. Find a hobby and stop ricing.

pjmlp 5y ago
Kind of proves the point why next year is going to be the year of Linux desktop.
- eitland 5y ago
  After seeing a salesman voluntarily using it and getting away with it at work, multiple influential devs using it both in my organization and at customera, meetings be held with Teams on Linux desktop at the client etc I have already declared year of Linux desktop on Oslo, Norway. Feels exactly like when Mac broke through 15 or so years ago: all the cool kids used it and advocated it, management wanted it and several people in IT preferred it and use it whenever they can get away with it.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    Until one needs to plug a laptop into a customer beamer on a critical sales meeting.
    - indymike 5y ago
      >plug a laptop into a customer beamer I've had presentations where the Macbook couldn't sync and the Kubuntu Dell rescued me. Linux video is massively better than a few years ago thanks to AMD drivers being fully open source.
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        The same open source Radeon drivers that have dropped support for my netbook APU, downgraded to GL3.3 from GL 4.1 without hardware video decoding as previously provided by fglrx, while the Windows 8 drivers keep providing GL 4.1, DirectX 11 and hardware video decoding on Windows 10, on the same hardware.