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Because this is an out group constantly endangering the well-being of others? It really is one. Or if it isn't, then what exactly is it? Your body, your choices

Because this is an out group constantly endangering the well-being of others? It really is one. Or if it isn't, then what exactly is it? Your body, your choices, your consequences, but not mine or anyone else's. Why is the right to dodge vaccination and masks so important, so absolutely vital, so incredibly on target that we risk the destruction of the Republic itself if we mandate them? Do you also support my right to throw hand grenades into rooms full of people I don't like? This nation was founded during a smallpox and variola academic where our founding father George Washington forced vaccination upon his soldiers (1). But mandating vaccination against the current pandemic is unamerican? How does that work? https://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/GW&smallpoxinoculation.html https://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/GW&smallpoxinoculation.html

h2odragon 5y ago
COVID is not smallpox. Equating the two is the basis of your argument? And yet anyone disagreeing is spreading disinformation and must be silenced? (Not accusing you of the latter personally, but others who sound like you have continued thus)
- DataGata 5y ago
  A person yelling "fire" in a crowded theater gets in trouble, but a person yelling "there is no fire" in a crowded theater in a theater definitely on fire is... being silenced?
motohagiography 5y ago
I sincerely believe this hesitancy issue is designed to identify people as offside and as a wedge issue or scissor statement, and not as discourse to derive facts about the topic. Blaming the hesitant and making histrionic claims is like trying to convince me of some eugenic racist theory, where it's just a fast filter that repels everyone intelligent enough to disagree with you and leaves you with a remainder of easily fooled people you can exploit for political ends. Facts in this context are meaningless other than as signals of what side you're on. If someone wants to take the risk of volunteering for the vaccine control group in a global pandemic, I wish them luck. Scapegoating turns it into a political problem where everyone thinks they have a meaningful opinion, which I can see the appeal of. But appeal and truth are very different things.
- varelse 5y ago
  So it's not the pandemic that both Republicans like Schwarzenegger, Democrats like Obama, and billionaires like Bill Gates predicted and tried to plan for 5 to 15 years ago? It's some weird social agenda to isolate the free thinkers? Okey-dokey then. But I support them being the control group for the vaccine as well. We don't need that control group anymore we have plenty of data but hey it's a free country. But that choice comes with responsibilities that they don't want to accept and that's where I have a problem. If you're going to sequester yourself away and harm no one but yourself, good for you.
- mullen 5y ago
  This isn't a Political debate, this is Public Health. The data is super clear, the only way out of this Public Health disaster is vaccines. The faster that everyone gets their vaccine shots, the faster ALL OF US can get out of this pandemic that is negatively impacting all of our lives. The current vaccines can do that with next to zero impact on a person's health. Individuals not getting vaccine shots are not endangering just their lives, they are endangering the Public Health. They are putting unnecessary stress on the Health Care system and allowing themselves to be the incubator of the next varent that prolongs this Pandemic. We're not Scapegoating anyone for this Pandemic because the people who choose not to get vaccinated are driving and causing this Pandemic. They really are to blame for the Pandemic in its current form. BTW: Public Health > Individual Freedom
  - motohagiography 5y ago
    Public health in this context is the pretext for these empty talking points with weirdly capitalized letters. It's a false conflict and a false dichotomy. The quality of thes arguments are self defeatingly poor, which is the point, because the people making them need others to blame. Hysteria causes hesitation. Solving the problem and merely keeping it in the air with what would be hate speech in any other context to manage it are conflicting goals.

h2odragon 5y ago

COVID is not smallpox. Equating the two is the basis of your argument? And yet anyone disagreeing is spreading disinformation and must be silenced? (Not accusing you of the latter personally, but others who sound like you have continued thus)

DataGata 5y ago
A person yelling "fire" in a crowded theater gets in trouble, but a person yelling "there is no fire" in a crowded theater in a theater definitely on fire is... being silenced?

motohagiography 5y ago

I sincerely believe this hesitancy issue is designed to identify people as offside and as a wedge issue or scissor statement, and not as discourse to derive facts about the topic. Blaming the hesitant and making histrionic claims is like trying to convince me of some eugenic racist theory, where it's just a fast filter that repels everyone intelligent enough to disagree with you and leaves you with a remainder of easily fooled people you can exploit for political ends. Facts in this context are meaningless other than as signals of what side you're on. If someone wants to take the risk of volunteering for the vaccine control group in a global pandemic, I wish them luck. Scapegoating turns it into a political problem where everyone thinks they have a meaningful opinion, which I can see the appeal of. But appeal and truth are very different things.

varelse 5y ago
So it's not the pandemic that both Republicans like Schwarzenegger, Democrats like Obama, and billionaires like Bill Gates predicted and tried to plan for 5 to 15 years ago? It's some weird social agenda to isolate the free thinkers? Okey-dokey then. But I support them being the control group for the vaccine as well. We don't need that control group anymore we have plenty of data but hey it's a free country. But that choice comes with responsibilities that they don't want to accept and that's where I have a problem. If you're going to sequester yourself away and harm no one but yourself, good for you.
mullen 5y ago
This isn't a Political debate, this is Public Health. The data is super clear, the only way out of this Public Health disaster is vaccines. The faster that everyone gets their vaccine shots, the faster ALL OF US can get out of this pandemic that is negatively impacting all of our lives. The current vaccines can do that with next to zero impact on a person's health. Individuals not getting vaccine shots are not endangering just their lives, they are endangering the Public Health. They are putting unnecessary stress on the Health Care system and allowing themselves to be the incubator of the next varent that prolongs this Pandemic. We're not Scapegoating anyone for this Pandemic because the people who choose not to get vaccinated are driving and causing this Pandemic. They really are to blame for the Pandemic in its current form. BTW: Public Health > Individual Freedom
- motohagiography 5y ago
  Public health in this context is the pretext for these empty talking points with weirdly capitalized letters. It's a false conflict and a false dichotomy. The quality of thes arguments are self defeatingly poor, which is the point, because the people making them need others to blame. Hysteria causes hesitation. Solving the problem and merely keeping it in the air with what would be hate speech in any other context to manage it are conflicting goals.