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Whose to say what is abuse? Are Caesar Milan tactics on a child abuse? This is outright dangerous beyond belief. Nobody is gonna wanna be a parent if you have t

Whose to say what is abuse? Are Caesar Milan tactics on a child abuse? This is outright dangerous beyond belief. Nobody is gonna wanna be a parent if you have to worry about your kid being mad at you and then posts something like that. IIRC there was a teenage girl that lied about her father molesting her back in the 2000s. No evidence, just pure hearsay. Dude was locked up for like 10 years. Now imagine that on a greater scale with several videos and photos taken out of context.

HWR_14 5y ago
That would be false testimony, not hearsay. Hearsay ("John Smith told me he heard MeinBlut kidnapped the Lindbergh baby") is not allowed. Witnesses lying about what they saw and or participated in is allowed, although it can be lies. Sorry, and as for "what is abuse", these are looking for exploited children. There are a lot of questions here, the morality of mass surveillance, the risk factors due to hash collisions (intentional or otherwise), etc, the one thing I doubt is an issue is a fuzzy line on "is this abuse"
- cdolan 5y ago
  I don't think society can function without harsh penalties for child abuse, and I think thats a widely held belief everyone agrees with. I do think your comment is conflicting though. The fuzziness of 'is this abuse' is real because collisions can occur, mass surveillance never goes in reverse, etc.
  - codr7 5y ago
    Doesn't seem to be working very well from here; risk of penalty isn't going to stop most of these people, more likely make their game even more exciting. Of course they have to be prevented from hurting people, to the best of our ability to do so, but punishment isn't going anywhere.
  - HWR_14 5y ago
    Huh, I specifically said "concerns about collisions" is a real concern. I said that "mass surveillance" is a real concern. What is not a real concern is fuzziness in the question "is this image of child abuse". And I really don't want to continue a discussion where you try to come up with gray areas. A computer may not be able to tell the difference, but humans can.

HWR_14 5y ago

That would be false testimony, not hearsay. Hearsay ("John Smith told me he heard MeinBlut kidnapped the Lindbergh baby") is not allowed. Witnesses lying about what they saw and or participated in is allowed, although it can be lies. Sorry, and as for "what is abuse", these are looking for exploited children. There are a lot of questions here, the morality of mass surveillance, the risk factors due to hash collisions (intentional or otherwise), etc, the one thing I doubt is an issue is a fuzzy line on "is this abuse"

cdolan 5y ago
I don't think society can function without harsh penalties for child abuse, and I think thats a widely held belief everyone agrees with. I do think your comment is conflicting though. The fuzziness of 'is this abuse' is real because collisions can occur, mass surveillance never goes in reverse, etc.
- codr7 5y ago
  Doesn't seem to be working very well from here; risk of penalty isn't going to stop most of these people, more likely make their game even more exciting. Of course they have to be prevented from hurting people, to the best of our ability to do so, but punishment isn't going anywhere.
- HWR_14 5y ago
  Huh, I specifically said "concerns about collisions" is a real concern. I said that "mass surveillance" is a real concern. What is not a real concern is fuzziness in the question "is this image of child abuse". And I really don't want to continue a discussion where you try to come up with gray areas. A computer may not be able to tell the difference, but humans can.