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All the people who hate the masks and hate the vaccines never really have any answer to this, what happens when the hospitals fill to capacity or the staff give

All the people who hate the masks and hate the vaccines never really have any answer to this, what happens when the hospitals fill to capacity or the staff give up from exhaustion. No answers.

switch007 5y ago
If I had to talk a wild guess, they give answers but you don’t listen or like the response. Hospitals are designed to run near capacity. It’s reported every winter in the UK that they’re near or over capacity. And outside of winter they’re just as busy. 12 hour shifts, asking ungodly things of staff is nothing new. Where was your haughty indignation during the last bad flu season? We have vaccines and had/have mask mandates, yet still staff are giving up. What’s your answer to that?
- dageshi 5y ago
  Well I read the article and watched the video and the point is, many of the people coming into the hospitals now are unvaccinated by choice. They're quitting because the rate of admissions should be slowing and they should be getting a break after dealing with it for 12+ months, but they're not.
  - TheFreim 5y ago
    I think hospitals should treat people who are there because of their own fault. Smokers with lung issues, overweight people with diabetes/heart issues, etc should all be treated. I don't see how this is any different. I understand being frustrated but dealing with people's problems causes themselves is part of the job.
- greedo 5y ago
  The last bad flu season didn't kill over 600K Americans...
  - switch007 5y ago
    What’s that got to do with my post? The flu season places extra pressure on the hospitals - I’m not comparing the two viruses. Don’t get so triggered.
    - greedo 5y ago
      Not triggered at all, except by the continued conflation of COVID with influenza. You specifically mentioned: "Where was your haughty indignation during the last bad flu season?" Show me a flu season that has exerted the same amount of pressure on hospitals and healthcare workers.
      - switch007 5y ago
        How are you measuring it? What metric would you like to compare? My comment does not conflate the two. You’re reaching. Every winter (flu season) exerts extra pressure. It doesn’t take much to push hospitals over the edge.
        octaonalocto 5y ago
        One metric that's interesting: what the market is offering for temporary contracts for traveling nurses. Past flu seasons haven't seen contracts of $10k+ per WEEK for ICU nurses.
xdennis 5y ago
I think it's better to say you don't have answers than to keep being wrong: * no human-to-human transmision * masks don't work -> masks hurt you -> masks are mandatory * transmitted by a pangolin -> we don't know what the intermediary was * it's racist to say it came from a lab -> it probably came from a lab * restrictions for a few weeks -> restrictions for months, and maybe brought back seasonally * it will all be over when x % get vaccinated -> we never said vaccines protect from infection, just bad reactions to covid
- objectivetruth 5y ago
  When you read those things last year, did they come with an ironclad guarantee? No? Some sort of contract? No? Were those statements published in a book titled "Pure and Incontrovertible Truths" or were they, like all human knowledge, subject to learning and changing? No? That's because the universe is a complex place that humans don't have all the answers for. I like that science gets better and better. I mean, feel free to put dung and leeches on your open wounds -- because that's how it USED to be, darnit! -- I'll stick to antiseptics and antibacterial ointments. And when science figures out something better and proves it, we'll use that!
Jeema101 5y ago
It seemed obvious to me from the beginning that hospital capacity would slowly decrease over time the longer the pandemic wears on. I mean you can run people ragged for a while, but eventually they will give out on you. It works the same in any profession.
rufus_foreman 5y ago
The answer they were given was "Two weeks to flatten the curve".

All the people who hate the masks and hate the vaccines never really have any answer to this, what happens when the hospitals fill to capacity or the staff give up from exhaustion. No answers.

switch007 5y ago

If I had to talk a wild guess, they give answers but you don’t listen or like the response. Hospitals are designed to run near capacity. It’s reported every winter in the UK that they’re near or over capacity. And outside of winter they’re just as busy. 12 hour shifts, asking ungodly things of staff is nothing new. Where was your haughty indignation during the last bad flu season? We have vaccines and had/have mask mandates, yet still staff are giving up. What’s your answer to that?

dageshi 5y ago
Well I read the article and watched the video and the point is, many of the people coming into the hospitals now are unvaccinated by choice. They're quitting because the rate of admissions should be slowing and they should be getting a break after dealing with it for 12+ months, but they're not.
- TheFreim 5y ago
  I think hospitals should treat people who are there because of their own fault. Smokers with lung issues, overweight people with diabetes/heart issues, etc should all be treated. I don't see how this is any different. I understand being frustrated but dealing with people's problems causes themselves is part of the job.
greedo 5y ago
The last bad flu season didn't kill over 600K Americans...
- switch007 5y ago
  What’s that got to do with my post? The flu season places extra pressure on the hospitals - I’m not comparing the two viruses. Don’t get so triggered.
  - greedo 5y ago
    Not triggered at all, except by the continued conflation of COVID with influenza. You specifically mentioned: "Where was your haughty indignation during the last bad flu season?" Show me a flu season that has exerted the same amount of pressure on hospitals and healthcare workers.
    - switch007 5y ago
      How are you measuring it? What metric would you like to compare? My comment does not conflate the two. You’re reaching. Every winter (flu season) exerts extra pressure. It doesn’t take much to push hospitals over the edge.
      - octaonalocto 5y ago
        One metric that's interesting: what the market is offering for temporary contracts for traveling nurses. Past flu seasons haven't seen contracts of $10k+ per WEEK for ICU nurses.

xdennis 5y ago

I think it's better to say you don't have answers than to keep being wrong: * no human-to-human transmision * masks don't work -> masks hurt you -> masks are mandatory * transmitted by a pangolin -> we don't know what the intermediary was * it's racist to say it came from a lab -> it probably came from a lab * restrictions for a few weeks -> restrictions for months, and maybe brought back seasonally * it will all be over when x % get vaccinated -> we never said vaccines protect from infection, just bad reactions to covid

objectivetruth 5y ago
When you read those things last year, did they come with an ironclad guarantee? No? Some sort of contract? No? Were those statements published in a book titled "Pure and Incontrovertible Truths" or were they, like all human knowledge, subject to learning and changing? No? That's because the universe is a complex place that humans don't have all the answers for. I like that science gets better and better. I mean, feel free to put dung and leeches on your open wounds -- because that's how it USED to be, darnit! -- I'll stick to antiseptics and antibacterial ointments. And when science figures out something better and proves it, we'll use that!

Jeema101 5y ago

It seemed obvious to me from the beginning that hospital capacity would slowly decrease over time the longer the pandemic wears on. I mean you can run people ragged for a while, but eventually they will give out on you. It works the same in any profession.

rufus_foreman 5y ago

The answer they were given was "Two weeks to flatten the curve".