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Totally! Agree that feminists and modern women aspiring to adopt male traits rather than embracing innate female goddess energy and power is stupid, especially

Totally! Agree that feminists and modern women aspiring to adopt male traits rather than embracing innate female goddess energy and power is stupid, especially when they, at the same time, "stand against" how "toxic" men are. But then again, some of those traits you pretend are toxic, are actually just awesome, and work in the human world. So why should "man" or "woman" polarity have dibs on that stuff? That gendering of traits is the fucking stupid thing I think. Anyone can choose to do anything. Don't trust people who devalue choice, they're the ones that love to try to deflect blame and responsibility onto anyone but themselves. But yeah, the human world is pretty fucked up as a whole, male and female, because we're all full of ape brain shit, of which you're no better being human, too.

fooperdupes 5y ago
True progress is the freedom for everyone to be an asshole.
- graderjs 5y ago
  Tongue in cheek but totally true. If everyone has a voice and feels like they can express it (everyone "carries a gun" so to speak) yeah that is a pretty good approximation of true progress.
- hypertele-Xii 5y ago
  Assholes are so underappreciated they're used for slander. It's an anatomical device that controls defecation; Keeping poop at bay while you go about your business. Stop calling evil "asshole" and you might find your pooping becomes a little easier, as that part of your body is no longer equivocated with malice.
  - vnchr 5y ago
    There’s an advocate for everything these days.
  - Fern_Blossom 5y ago
    Wait... are you serious? Please tell me you're being funny... oh God... that's where we're at nowadays... I think this is a sincere statement...
    - hypertele-Xii 5y ago
      Yeah, sincerely. Language shapes thought. An asshole shouldn't be a measure of malice. It's a very useful organ with an important job. Just like you wouldn't call a badly behaving individual "nigger", "gay", nor "retard", you shouldn't call them "dick", "asshole", nor "cunt" neither. Just call it what it is. By its true name. Actually say the thing you mean. Words exist. Deprecate outdated idioms and try evolving.
ookdatnog 5y ago
> Agree that feminists and modern women aspiring to adopt male traits rather than embracing innate female goddess energy and power is stupid "Agree that"? What are you on about? The parent comment can't remotely be interpreted to be saying this. > ... especially when they, at the same time, "stand against" how "toxic" men are. The term "toxic masculinity" does not imply "masculinity = toxic". Rather, our culture associates certain (often positive) traits with what it means to "be a (real) man", such as strength, protectiveness, ambition, decisiveness, confidence, courage etc. "Toxic masculinity" is the cancerous behavior you get when men overshoot in trying to display these qualities, such as authoritarian behavior stemming from an obsession with being perceived as strong; being incapable of letting others shine due to seeing everything as a zero-sum competition; being unreasonably stubborn and unwilling to change their mind out of a desire to be perceived as decisive and confident; pointless risk-seeking behavior potentially putting others at risk etc.
- tasogare 5y ago
  > The term "toxic masculinity" does not imply "masculinity = toxic". It totally does, this is why those two words are used in that expression. The plan is to skew the meaning of masculinity by making the colloquation widely used enough, until it's automatically associated with toxicity even when that word is not present.
  - ookdatnog 5y ago
    > this is why those two words are used in that expression Do you believe that every "<adjective> <noun>" phrase is intended as "<noun> = <adjective>"? Do you believe that the phrase "fundamentalist Christians" is only used by people who want to create the association "all Christians are fundamentalists"?
- Joeboy 5y ago
  > The term "toxic masculinity" does not imply "masculinity = toxic". It totally does though, whether that's the intention or not. If I talk about "greedy Frenchmen", that technically just means, the (perhaps tiny) subset of Frenchmen who are greedy, but in practice, through a quirk of language, it also communicates an idea about Frenchmen being greedy. Hopefully, "greedy Frenchmen" is not an expression that pushes anybody's buttons too much, but I think most people will be able to think of comparable "[Adjective] [Noun]" examples that illustrate the problem more vividly.

fooperdupes 5y ago

True progress is the freedom for everyone to be an asshole.

graderjs 5y ago
Tongue in cheek but totally true. If everyone has a voice and feels like they can express it (everyone "carries a gun" so to speak) yeah that is a pretty good approximation of true progress.
hypertele-Xii 5y ago
Assholes are so underappreciated they're used for slander. It's an anatomical device that controls defecation; Keeping poop at bay while you go about your business. Stop calling evil "asshole" and you might find your pooping becomes a little easier, as that part of your body is no longer equivocated with malice.
- vnchr 5y ago
  There’s an advocate for everything these days.
- Fern_Blossom 5y ago
  Wait... are you serious? Please tell me you're being funny... oh God... that's where we're at nowadays... I think this is a sincere statement...
  - hypertele-Xii 5y ago
    Yeah, sincerely. Language shapes thought. An asshole shouldn't be a measure of malice. It's a very useful organ with an important job. Just like you wouldn't call a badly behaving individual "nigger", "gay", nor "retard", you shouldn't call them "dick", "asshole", nor "cunt" neither. Just call it what it is. By its true name. Actually say the thing you mean. Words exist. Deprecate outdated idioms and try evolving.

ookdatnog 5y ago

> Agree that feminists and modern women aspiring to adopt male traits rather than embracing innate female goddess energy and power is stupid "Agree that"? What are you on about? The parent comment can't remotely be interpreted to be saying this. > ... especially when they, at the same time, "stand against" how "toxic" men are. The term "toxic masculinity" does not imply "masculinity = toxic". Rather, our culture associates certain (often positive) traits with what it means to "be a (real) man", such as strength, protectiveness, ambition, decisiveness, confidence, courage etc. "Toxic masculinity" is the cancerous behavior you get when men overshoot in trying to display these qualities, such as authoritarian behavior stemming from an obsession with being perceived as strong; being incapable of letting others shine due to seeing everything as a zero-sum competition; being unreasonably stubborn and unwilling to change their mind out of a desire to be perceived as decisive and confident; pointless risk-seeking behavior potentially putting others at risk etc.

tasogare 5y ago
> The term "toxic masculinity" does not imply "masculinity = toxic". It totally does, this is why those two words are used in that expression. The plan is to skew the meaning of masculinity by making the colloquation widely used enough, until it's automatically associated with toxicity even when that word is not present.
- ookdatnog 5y ago
  > this is why those two words are used in that expression Do you believe that every "<adjective> <noun>" phrase is intended as "<noun> = <adjective>"? Do you believe that the phrase "fundamentalist Christians" is only used by people who want to create the association "all Christians are fundamentalists"?
Joeboy 5y ago
> The term "toxic masculinity" does not imply "masculinity = toxic". It totally does though, whether that's the intention or not. If I talk about "greedy Frenchmen", that technically just means, the (perhaps tiny) subset of Frenchmen who are greedy, but in practice, through a quirk of language, it also communicates an idea about Frenchmen being greedy. Hopefully, "greedy Frenchmen" is not an expression that pushes anybody's buttons too much, but I think most people will be able to think of comparable "[Adjective] [Noun]" examples that illustrate the problem more vividly.